YOUR BJ Winnings

#1
I recently started studying card counting. I already recount the deck in 18-19 seconds. I will train until I will count in 12-13 seconds per deck. I'm only 16 and I'm now dedicated to learn blackjack secrets , but i'm not certain about winnings. Can someone share their winings in Blackjack? Can someone share some tips on how to not be caught in casinos? I already started studying bj strategies. In many Europe's countries (in good casinos) cards are shuffled every game, is it in USA as well ? Thank you.
 

ihate17

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#2
cards are shuffled every hand?

I believe what you mean here is a CSM or continuous shuffle machine.
After every couple of hands the used cards are just returned to the back of the machine and get mixed in with those already in the machine.
If this is what you have seen, counting is useless against it. We have the same things in the U.S. but they are generally only seen on the lowest limit tables.

ihate17
 

UncrownedKing

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#3
You should first play a couple hours of BJ with BS before trying to count. The whole point of casino life is excitement and fun. If you take the excitement and fun out, then there is no real point in counting. Without the casino environment, counting is boring, very boring. With that said, if you take your first trip to a casino and use every ounce of your energy on counting, instead of having fun, that will probably be your last trip to a casino. All that time, energy, and devotion to card counting will be worthless.
 

FLASH1296

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#5

It is absurd to suggest to a teenager that s/he study BJ; since by the time
they are old enough to enter a casino to play, the game may be truly unbeatable.

Blackjack has deteriorated in a downward spiral over the last (almost) half century.

The future looks poor indeed. I am unable to so much as postulate
happenstance that would reverse the downward trend.
 

Mimosine

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#6
if you can count a deck in 20 seconds you don't need to practice that any longer. buy some books now and begin the second part of your training; reading.
 

KOLAN

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#7
siskebabas said:
I recently started studying card counting. I already recount the deck in 18-19 seconds. I will train until I will count in 12-13 seconds per deck. I'm only 16 and I'm now dedicated to learn blackjack secrets , but i'm not certain about winnings. Can someone share their winings in Blackjack? Can someone share some tips on how to not be caught in casinos? I already started studying bj strategies. In many Europe's countries (in good casinos) cards are shuffled every game, is it in USA as well ? Thank you.
dont spend yours young times .in bj only after 6 years you can duble yours bankroll ,mayby))))
beter sport beting ,
if you luking no money, just fun. go to night club
 

callipygian

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#9
InPlay said:
In 5 years enough measures will be taken so it does not matter how fast you can count a deck.
How long have people been saying that?

Certainly longer than 5 years; when BDTH came out a lot of counters (including me) thought that it would pretty much put card counters out of business. I'm sure there were other similar scares in the past.
 

UncrownedKing

Well-Known Member
#10
FLASH1296 said:

It is absurd to suggest to a teenager that s/he study BJ; since by the time
they are old enough to enter a casino to play, the game may be truly unbeatable.

Blackjack has deteriorated in a downward spiral over the last (almost) half century.

The future looks poor indeed. I am unable to so much as postulate
happenstance that would reverse the downward trend.
This is why I suggested that he simply experience the casino environment before studying BJ. The casino is ALL about having fun, and he can't have fun if the first time he walks into a casino, he focuses his entire energy into counting. Obviously if you're still a teenager you shouldn't be studying BJ. Once you've been to the casino several times and you get used to the environment, now its time to learn how to be an AP.
 

UncrownedKing

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#11
siskebabas said:
I haven't said that I didn't play it for fun. Now I started counting and play ploker for fun :) What about winings in BJ?

I'm only 16 and I'm now dedicated to learn blackjack secrets
There is a difference between playing BJ and playing BJ at a casino. Obviously you have never been into a casino, only being 16.
 

Canceler

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#12
You may be wondering why no one answered your original question:

siskebabas said:
Can someone share their winnings in Blackjack?
Okay, in 2008 I won $1,890 at blackjack. This was from playing 44 sessions of some unknown average length, at various casinos, with several types of games having varying rules and with various degrees of penetration, using a certain count system, having a certain level of seriousness about the game (or not), with a certain amount of willingness to actually bet according to the count (or not), and, depending on where I was playing, a certain level of paranoia about being tossed out.

Now, how does this apply to you? It doesn’t. Not at all. Your mileage WILL vary. Just because someone won a certain amount doesn't mean you will.
 

Xur

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#13
Welp...I will take this question seeing as I might be one of the younger counters (21).

I am guessing you are from Europe...I cannot help you there...but to say do not play in any game that using a shuffling machine...find some nice 6-8 deck shoe game with good rules.

That said, lets get to the fact you already seem to have the proficiency to count down a deck at a really fast rate. Can you do multiple decks at about the same speed? And what count are you using?

Side note:
I would say I am an average counter. I can count down a single deck, semi-rushed at about 20-24 seconds using Zen(lvl 2 count). But bump that to 4 decks and it takes me about 2.5 minutes (give or take). Which is almost 38 seconds per deck....more decks occasionally give higher + or - counts(obviously:p) and if you rush you will make errors...better to be free of errors then to say you can burn through x number of decks.

Ok...that said...from a poor college student perspective. You need a bankroll, a big bankroll. If you feel you want to do this, go get a job. Work till you turn of age (18 or 21 in Europe? i dunno). If after all that labor you feel like you can risk $5-10 thousand then pick back up your studies.

You can read the books that are available in the mean time, reading never killed anyone. Just do not go full bore into this thing. Even if I had worked my butt off and built up the br to use right now I still might be weary of using it. I have taken big losses, and I know I can live with it...because I am lucky to have parents who let me live free of charge while still in college. But if this was not the case those losses would have crippled me.

As for winnings...In one venue over the course of playing one week...I played a small total of seven hours. In 3 hours I won only 60 units, and it took 4 hours to give it all back. The quality of game + my small bet spread did not help my results of this brief period of play.

This was just a quick example that its not all profit...troll the forums a bit...hours and hours of negative streaks. In simulations of millions of hands some have lasted 10,000 hands almost. That is equivalent to 100 hours of play at 100 hands per hour. That's over two weeks of losing play if you play 40 hours a week...can you handle it? Sure its extreme...but one must be away of the risk.


Recap:
1) Get a job.
2) Continue reading, its good for your brain.
2i) Count for maybe a few hours a week, do not want to lose the speed.
3) When you turn of age, go to a casino and just try to have some fun.
4) If you liked the environment and think this might be for you, have at it.
4i) Make sure you can spot a good game from the bad, you do not want to try making your 1-2% on a game that will only give you a slight fraction of that.

I'll end with a quote...
bruisedlee said:
Remember:

This Game is 49% LOSING.

Bruisedlee

How was that for an answer?
Lengthy...but I feel it was my best one yet! :cool2:
 
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#14
Xur said:
Welp...I will take this question seeing as I might be one of the younger counters (21).

I am guessing you are from Europe...I cannot help you there...but to say do not play in any game that using a shuffling machine...find some nice 6-8 deck shoe game with good rules.

That said, lets get to the fact you already seem to have the proficiency to count down a deck at a really fast rate. Can you do multiple decks at about the same speed? And what count are you using?

Side note:
I would say I am an average counter. I can count down a single deck, semi-rushed at about 20-24 seconds using Zen(lvl 2 count). But bump that to 4 decks and it takes me about 2.5 minutes (give or take). Which is almost 38 seconds per deck....more decks occasionally give higher + or - counts(obviously:p) and if you rush you will make errors...better to be free of errors then to say you can burn through x number of decks.

Ok...that said...from a poor college student perspective. You need a bankroll, a big bankroll. If you feel you want to do this, go get a job. Work till you turn of age (18 or 21 in Europe? i dunno). If after all that labor you feel like you can risk $5-10 thousand then pick back up your studies.

You can read the books that are available in the mean time, reading never killed anyone. Just do not go full bore into this thing. Even if I had worked my butt off and built up the br to use right now I still might be weary of using it. I have taken big losses, and I know I can live with it...because I am lucky to have parents who let me live free of charge while still in college. But if this was not the case those losses would have crippled me.

As for winnings...In one venue over the course of playing one week...I played a small total of seven hours. In 3 hours I won only 60 units, and it took 4 hours to give it all back. The quality of game + my small bet spread did not help my results of this brief period of play.

This was just a quick example that its not all profit...troll the forums a bit...hours and hours of negative streaks. In simulations of millions of hands some have lasted 10,000 hands almost. That is equivalent to 100 hours of play at 100 hands per hour. That's over two weeks of losing play if you play 40 hours a week...can you handle it? Sure its extreme...but one must be away of the risk.


Recap:
1) Get a job.
2) Continue reading, its good for your brain.
2i) Count for maybe a few hours a week, do not want to lose the speed.
3) When you turn of age, go to a casino and just try to have some fun.
4) If you liked the environment and think this might be for you, have at it.
4i) Make sure you can spot a good game from the bad, you do not want to try making your 1-2% on a game that will only give you a slight fraction of that.

I'll end with a quote...



How was that for an answer?
Lengthy...but I feel it was my best one yet! :cool2:
THat's was pretty lengthy :grin: I tried on 4 decks and I counted it correctly in about 90 sec, that's about 22 sec per deck. In Europe you can play with casino machines from 18, poker and blackjack from 21 (I think, i'm not quite sure). I know I need to have a big bankroll, I will get a job and eventually I will try my "luck" in bj.
 

Xur

Well-Known Member
#15
Yes. Get a job and save the money, not blow it on electronics and poker (my biggest mistakes).

Never said what count you used. Hi-Lo?
 

Martin Gayle

Well-Known Member
#17
siskebabas said:
THat's was pretty lengthy :grin: I tried on 4 decks and I counted it correctly in about 90 sec, that's about 22 sec per deck. In Europe you can play with casino machines from 18, poker and blackjack from 21 (I think, i'm not quite sure). I know I need to have a big bankroll, I will get a job and eventually I will try my "luck" in bj.
If I say I won $ 1 million last year, what does that mean?

If I say I lost $1100 last year what does that mean?

Maybe in a side bet, but I have never seen anyone take any money off a casino because they can count a deck down fast than anyone else.

The post is lengthy, but the truth. Some guys here have been operating since the 1970's. Others for a couple weeks. Some have made a small fortune, or at least a living, other will show a net loss. Some are hobby AP's working with a middle class income, some are working with financed team bankroll, some are university students risking their bursary. Experience makes you wise but it doesn't make you a successful player. If you want to know your expected return tell us your bankroll, count system, risk adversion, hours of play, game rules, casino conditions and some of us nerds may be able to give you an expected return.

There are some posters here that will reveal great information, others not so much. If you are really dedicated look through the archives here and you should be able to tell the sharks from the fish.
 
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