Korea update needed please

  • li_ka_shing168

    Korea update needed please

    Hi everyone, I have searched the forum about korea, the info is a bit dated for Seoul’s casino but I didnt found any info for cheju island. Please can someone provide me updates of the BJ game in Seoul + info for cheju. I am now on a trip in HK and would like to play some profitable games in korea. Thanks in advance

  • chichow

     

    Not to be a jerk, but if you are going, then just go.

    I don’t honestly think much has changed in Seoul although it HAS been a while since I have been there.

    Please go and just report back.

    Good luck

  • li_ka_shing168

     

    I will be going, but i need to know which one between cheju or seoul would be better. I know there is something like 9 casino on cheju island but i never got any info about the casino there, what if i go and they are all csm’s. I would have gone there for nothing.

  • ycming

     

    Quote: chichow said:
    Not to be a jerk, but if you are going, then just go.

    I don’t honestly think much has changed in Seoul although it HAS been a while since I have been there.

    Please go and just report back.

    Good luck

    The whole point of a forum is for people to find information they need … what a pointless post that is!

    May be phone up the korean casino and ask ?

    Ming

  • chichow

     

    Its not like the Asia forum is alive with tons of posts.

    Given that, its not likely that anyone who hasn’t already visited and posted wouldn’t have already reported conditions.

    LKS: If you are that concerned about Seoul vs C isle than just go to Seoul where there are reports on the games there.

  • mineomarrtinez

     

    I only visited one Seoul casino, but the conditions are the same as they have been reported before,
    At the 7 luck.

    8 decks, hand shuffled
    dealer draws to 16 stands on all 17s
    BJ pays 3-2
    split any pairs
    double any two cards
    about 85% penetration
    insurance pays 2-1
    side bet of pairs, pays 11 – 1

    Its quite as a library in there. One thing that was funny, there was a tables of blackjack that I was watching. when the true count for the table went to +5, everyone raised their bets accordingly. and in the next hand when it went down, everyone bet the minimum. I just had to laugh at that. I was wondering if I was seeing a full table of counters. Anyway, not much countermeasures taken here I presume.

    I’ll be visiting the other 2 casinos in Seoul in a few days. And then Cheju Island in a month or so. I’ll keep you posted.

  • jerseyshop101

     

    In the few times I have been able to go, I have seen players openly count at Seven Luck Casino in Seoul at the Millenium. If Ray Charles were dealing, he would even know they were counting. I’m starting to think they really don’t care, or maybe the players are in the red so they don’t care as much. Or maybe they figure its just the normal hit and run tourists. I really don’t know, but it was definitely obvious.

    Several years back at Walker Hill Casino in Seoul, same thing. I only heard of a Chinese group that was banned from playing there.

    Good luck and win a truckload of Won!

    JS101

  • San

    Just be careful

    I’ve been counting cards in Seoul for a while. Lately, I had encountered TC over 28 in one of the casinos. Over 28, can you believe it? It was the end of shoe and less than one deck left. The running count was 28.

    I understand it doesn’t mean anything for just one shoe. But I had also encountered many shoes ended at RC over 15, less than one deck left. I also counted 4s, 5s and Aces but I didn’t find anything unusual. Anyway, I just want to let you know that if you count cards in Seoul, just be careful. Maybe there’s a reason why the casinos don’t care about people counting cards.

    San

  • 65D

    korea

    Just updating the tread w/ what I have encountered. Have been counting in Korea past couple months.

    7 Luck is 6 deck (not 8)

    Walker Hill is 8 deck (however of about there 15 tables, 1 of them was a 6 deck)
    . kinda stange, but anyhow…

    One thing in Korea, that I find “odd” is that after they break out a new deck, they do NOT flip the cards over to show u all of them. (whereas in the USA, that is something the casino MUST do). I haven’t asked for it either though, I was tempted, but at the time I was up a good bit of money, so I did not want to bring added attention.

    I notice, everytime you sit down at a new table, they like to count up your chips, and they input it to their little screen. So I always keep my profit in my pocket, so i appear near broke while i am sitting there.

    Even though 7 luck has 6 decks, I still prefer Walker hill.
    My first time at 7 luck (i did not have basic stradegy memorized)…i asked the dealer if i can use my laminated wallet size BS card. she was kool. But then later, the pit boss said “no counting” and made me put away the BS card.
    – She thought BS card = counting. Either clueless, or intentionall…who knows

  • San

     

    Quote: 65D said:
    Just updating the tread w/ what I have encountered. Have been counting in Korea past couple months.

    7 Luck is 6 deck (not 8)

    Walker Hill is 8 deck (however of about there 15 tables, 1 of them was a 6 deck)
    . kinda stange, but anyhow…

    One thing in Korea, that I find “odd” is that after they break out a new deck, they do NOT flip the cards over to show u all of them. (whereas in the USA, that is something the casino MUST do). I haven’t asked for it either though, I was tempted, but at the time I was up a good bit of money, so I did not want to bring added attention.

    I notice, everytime you sit down at a new table, they like to count up your chips, and they input it to their little screen. So I always keep my profit in my pocket, so i appear near broke while i am sitting there.

    Even though 7 luck has 6 decks, I still prefer Walker hill.
    My first time at 7 luck (i did not have basic stradegy memorized)…i asked the dealer if i can use my laminated wallet size BS card. she was kool. But then later, the pit boss said “no counting” and made me put away the BS card.
    – She thought BS card = counting. Either clueless, or intentionall…who knows

    Hi

    In Walker Hill, you could ask pit boss to use 6 decks instead of 8 decks. However, it’s only available in high limit table (min 50,000 KRW, about US$50). I had seen some Japanese tourist asked for 6 decks and the pit boss allowed it. But I’m not sure if it would bring up some heat as I never do it.

    San

  • Gramazeka

    Danger

    Quote: 65D said:
    One thing in Korea, that I find “odd” is that after they break out a new deck, they do NOT flip the cards over to show u all of them.

    Danger cheating!

  • 65D

    6 vs 8

    Thanks for that info (lil late for me now, there…lol)

    I was recently banned from playing blackjack at Walker Hill.
    (and the frustrating part was, that i was down 2k when i was banned!)
    It’s ok, I made 11K the weekend prior there.
    I was banned for “counting cards”. Pulled aside and told I can never play 21 there again, but I am able to play anyother game.
    I fault this to myself, as after a few bad shoes, they brought out a new deck and i asked 3 times to SEE the cards, and mentioned how every other casino allows this. I guess this was too much attention, b/c 30 mins later after a lil run, i was banned from 21.

    I noticed that most of the tables are 8 deck, yet a couple are 6.
    Asking to switch tho, could be a sign of attention that might not be desired.

    But “house rule” is that they do NOT show the cards, even after a fresh deck is broken.

  • 65D

    not showing cards

    7 luck is the same way.

    guess its a South Korea thing. But that really urks me to not see all the cards.
    For all i know it has 2 extra 5’s and 2 less Aces, but we shall never know.

    The more advantageous part of Walker Hill is the spreads.
    10,000 to 1,000,000 won tables. You can spread it thick, and even have a “surrender, ie wong out price bet”. most 10,000 won places do not go up to 1mil max. Walker Hill does.

    7 luck is 10,000 to 500,000 tables (and 7 luck is all 6 decks)

  • jnrwilliam

     

    Quote: 65D said:
    7 luck is the same way.

    guess its a South Korea thing. But that really urks me to not see all the cards.
    For all i know it has 2 extra 5’s and 2 less Aces, but we shall never know.

    The more advantageous part of Walker Hill is the spreads.
    10,000 to 1,000,000 won tables. You can spread it thick, and even have a “surrender, ie wong out price bet”. most 10,000 won places do not go up to 1mil max. Walker Hill does.

    7 luck is 10,000 to 500,000 tables (and 7 luck is all 6 decks)

    i don’t think short deck/shoe is there, 7 Luck or Walker Hill.
    but cheating is very likely in Jecho, the island in most south of Korea.

  • 65D

    me either

    i dont think it is either..

    but if it isn’t, why not show the cards???

    7 luck and walker hill BOTH have this as house rules (no cards shown)

    golden gate (at the incheon airport hotel) does however show all cards, every fresh deck, and they change to a fresh deck about every 5 shoes
    much smaller casino however

    i played at Lottle Hotel (at jeju) about 3 months ago (and 250 less of experience) I was a far less profiecient counter then…
    they also do not turn over the cards either

  • chichow

    Which casino if any let’s S. Korean’s in…

    I think I read somewhere that S. Koreans are allowed in one casino in S. Korea.

    Anyone know which it is and the game quality?

  • jnrwilliam

     

    Quote: chichow said:
    I think I read somewhere that S. Koreans are allowed in one casino in S. Korea.

    Anyone know which it is and the game quality?

    4 hr fr Seoul. another province.

  • chichow

     

    Thanks…looks like I’ll be going solo vs. w/ some s.korean nationals which limits my table time

  • jnrwilliam

     

    Quote: chichow said:
    Thanks…looks like I’ll be going solo vs. w/ some s.korean nationals which limits my table time

    very very crowdy but foreigner can play in VIP room/high limit.

  • chichow

     

    Thoughts of conditions at the IC vs. Walker Hill?

    Walker hill usally has 2+ pit areas of BJ. Maybe 6 – 8 tables depending on the time?

    I forget, but I thought IC had less tables.

    I also thought conditions at Walker were a little better.

    Any updates?

  • 65D

     

    Whats IC?

    The only casino’s I am familar with are

    Walker Hill (Paradise) – Seoul
    7 Luck – Seoel at Coex Mall
    7 Luck – Seoul at Millenium Hilton
    The one at the airport hotel by incheon (paradise) – Incheon

    7-luck – busan (this is the only one I have no been too)

    The game is good in Korea.

    Walker hill is mostly 8 deck (but 1 to a couple of the tables are 6 deck. Not sure of the ryhme or reason. But it’s not always the higher roller one. I have seen the 10-1000 table be 6 deck too).
    -the spread is awesome. Can’t beat 10-1000 per hand.
    Penetration is 80% (1 deck cut off).
    DSA, LS

    But I don’t know what you mean by IC?

    But I can give u my opinion of Walker hill vs 7 Luck…

    Walker hill has more (less crowded) tables than 7 Luck – adv Walker Hill
    7 Luck is all 6D, whereas Walker Hill is mostly 8D – adv 7 Luck
    Walker hill has some heat, 7 luck has NONE at all – adv 7 luck
    Walker hill is 10-1000, 7 luck is 10-500 – adv Walker Hill
    Walker hill does have the one loan 5k won table (which is always full), the only other 5k won table is the lil casino at the airport, which is a sudivision of Walker hill (same managment).

  • chichow

     

    Sorry.

    IC = Intercontinental Hotel

    which in this case is equiv to COEX and Intercontinental.

  • chichow

     

    Walker Hill I see more expats and many people from China and Japan.

    7 Luck, I see as lower end and more just people from China.

    How many tables do you think are at 7 Luck? How many pits?

    I agree with Walker. There is weirdness in which are sometimes 6 deck instead of 8 deck.

    What are your thoughts regarding the weekend play? Crowded starting at 7 pm all the way till 4 am ish? and hence the tables are not as playable?

  • San

    Just ask

    In Walker Hill, you can ask the pit boss to use 6 decks instead of 8 decks. Usually it’s 8 decks. However, some Japanese like to play 6-deck and most of the time the pit boss would agree to switch. Later when they change cards, they would switch back to 8 decks unless someone asked to keep using 6 decks.

    Also, If you want to count card in Walker Hill, be very careful. Don’t spread over 1 to 20.

  • 65D

     

    chichow,

    If your asking about WH, I don’t know. I played there twice, and was banned my 2nd time. Take san’s advice. no insane spreads. With hindsight being 20/20, the heat there is NOT that bad, I mean it.
    – this is as up front as i can be: It was about my 10th time in a casino counting, and my first time for medium stakes. (i had played 100hrs or so at low stakes and was ready to go bigger). I played 13hrs on sat, and made 11k *usd*, then on sun, i went for the kill. I played for 3 hrs, and was down 1,800. Out of “frustration” after they brought out a new deck, I asked and almost demanded that they show me the cards. (like in USA), they said NO, its house rules. I said, “how do i know there are not extra 5s in there and Aces taken out”. Then i asked a pit boss, if they can please do this, as it’s only fair.
    my point here is THIS …in addition to spreading 10 x 1 up to 1000 x 3 is what broke the camels back. If i would of never said a word about the cards, I would probably still be good to go there. I guess my main point it, YES “there is heat” there. But it’s definatly something that the slightest bit of camo should be able to take care of ok. I was doing literally EVERYTHING wrong in the book of camo, i mean EVERYTHING..and i was there for a total of 16hrs, and up total of a lil under 10k usd. (learn from my mistake, etc)

    so thats WalkerHill….great game, 10-1000, but the decks are 8
    i do not know how crowded they are. they have more tables

    7 luck coex:

    10-500 tables….its 3-4 open
    50-2000 tables its 2-3 open
    100 to 3000 tables, its 3 open
    200 to 4000 tables (i think…) 1 open

    but yea, on a weekend night, it gets VERY packed. You could very well wait standing for 45min-1hr for a spot on the 10-500 table.

    I arrive on the weekends EARLY morning, and play till late afternoon ish
    thats me

    when its packed, and there are 6 at the table, (ok im finally answering your question here) MOST of the time it is still very playable. You just have to be creative.
    – if the person beside me plays BS. Then when the count gets to TC2 or more, I just spread it out and bet on his hand as well
    – if the person beside me is a moron, then I tread water with just 1 hand and wait till I can move seats or another table opens. But most of the time, there is a person u can play on their hand, that plays BS. (of course u might miss a high level index play)…but it still outweights only playing 1 hand in a pos count (to me). The higher level tables are very wongable too, since they are much less packed. Mid shoe entry is expected and super common.

    hope that answers

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