which card is bad for players?????

You are question is very unclear.

I assume that are referring to the dealer's "upcard"

You always want the dealer to display a 6, 5, 4, or 3 -- but the deuce is still BETTER (for YOU) than a 7 or higher.

Amateur players and dealers alike promulgate the utter nonsense that "The Deuce is the Dealer's Ace"
 
I’m a little confused by the question too. If you mean the dealer’s upcard it would be A,T,9,8,2,3,7,4,5,6 in that order. For the player’s first card it would be 6,5,7,4,3,2,8,9,T,A in that order.

-Sonny-
 
KOLAN said:
wich card is bad for players?????
2 is more bad than 5
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I guess.... hmmm..

Dealers Blackjack is bad for players.... that's 2 card.

Then...

If I get 20 with 2 card thats good, but also if I get 20 with 5 card thats good too. So I guess it doesnt matter if I get 2 or 5, :rolleyes: provided the dealer doesn't pull 21 on 3,4,5,6,7,8, or 9 card.

BJC
 
From an overall EV perspective the order of cards from worst to best is 5, 4, 3, 6, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, A. The five is the worst because it will turn any stiff into a made hand which obviously favors the dealer.
 
gordon5432 said:
From an overall EV perspective the order of cards from worst to best is 5, 4, 3, 6, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, A. The five is the worst because it will turn any stiff into a made hand which obviously favors the dealer.
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it is not true
3 IS bed card
bed for players
3+3=6
3+2=5
3+4=7
9+3=12
10+3=13
j+3=13
d+3=13
k+3=13
3------------------------------9 times bed
5+2=7
5+7=12
5+8=13
5+9=14
5+10=15
j+5=15
d+5=15
k+5=15
5------------------------------8 times bed
good for players
3+5
3+6
3+7
3+8
3------------------------------4 times good
5+3
5+4
5+5
5+6
5-------------------------------5 times good

cards from worst to best is 3546278910jdkA
 
FLASH1296 said:
You are question is very unclear.

I assume that are referring to the dealer's "upcard"

You always want the dealer to display a 6, 5, 4, or 3 -- but the deuce is still BETTER (for YOU) than a 7 or higher.

Amateur players and dealers alike promulgate the utter nonsense that "The Deuce is the Dealer's Ace"
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i mean- which card don't want to have player befor betting.
sorry for my english
 
KOLAN said:
it is not true
3 IS bed card
bed for players
3+3=6
3+2=5
3+4=7
9+3=12
10+3=13
j+3=13
d+3=13
k+3=13
3------------------------------9 times bed
5+2=7
5+7=12
5+8=13
5+9=14
5+10=15
j+5=15
d+5=15
k+5=15
5------------------------------8 times bed
good for players
3+5
3+6
3+7
3+8
3------------------------------4 times good
5+3
5+4
5+5
5+6
5-------------------------------5 times good

cards from worst to best is 3546278910jdkA
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Your analysis is wrong.

(1) You've assumed that all bad hands are equal and all good hands are equal, which is wrong. 13 is bad and 15 is bad, but 15 is much worse than 13.

(2) You've also ignored what happens to the dealer - 5's turn dealer 12-16 into dealer 17-21; 3's turn dealer 12-16 into dealer 15-19.

P.S. In English, the dame (D) is called a queen (Q). Since most players here are from the U.S., you should probably use Q instead of D.
 
FLASH1296 said:
You are question is very unclear.
I assume that are referring to the dealer's "upcard"
You always want the dealer to display a 6, 5, 4, or 3 -- but the deuce is still BETTER (for YOU) than a 7 or higher.
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I don't know what he meant either since he seems to have gone from "2 is more bad than 5" in his first post to "5 is more bad than 2" in his last post.

But, as far as what you seem to be saying, I'd much rather face a dealer upcard of 7 than a dealer upcard of 2. Heck, I'd rather face a dealer upcard of 7 than a dealer upcard of 3.

Since I have higher expected value vs the dealer 7 than a 2 or a 3 in both cases.
 
callipygian said:
Your analysis is wrong.

(1) You've assumed that all bad hands are equal and all good hands are equal, which is wrong. 13 is bad and 15 is bad, but 15 is much worse than 13.

(2) You've also ignored what happens to the dealer - 5's turn dealer 12-16 into dealer 17-21; 3's turn dealer 12-16 into dealer 15-19.

P.S. In English, the dame (D) is called a queen (Q). Since most players here are from the U.S., you should probably use Q instead of D.
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mayby
jast try to play 1 deck game remove first 4,5, and play 50 times in real cards not sim after remove all 23 and send my true results how many times you win use basik strategy.
 
Kasi said:
Right.

But don't confuse effect of removal vs dealer's upcard.

At least I don't think they are the same thing.
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He wants to know whether it would be more advantageous overall to remove one 4 and one 5 from a deck or one 2 and one 3. In a 1D H17 DAS DOA game with a cut card a BS player would have roughly a 1.3% edge over the house if a 4 and 5 were removed. With a 2 and 3 removed the players edge would be roughly half that, 0.66%.
 
KOLAN said:
mayby
jast try to play 1 deck game remove first 4,5, and play 50 times in real cards not sim after remove all 23 and send my true results how many times you win use basik strategy.
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Not a chance. You can do it if you want; there are 2,000,000 hand combinations and I'm not doing that to prove to you something as trivial as why 5 is the worst card in the deck. If you don't believe the sims, then don't believe the sims. There's nobody who has a vested interest in your playing blackjack well except for you and your mother.
 
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