Yeah right!.. that chart is a bunch of krap....it looks like the SAME chart that
shows our casino's PROFITS on a yearly basis..
Still Entertainment After All These Years!
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Yeah right!.. that chart is a bunch of krap....it looks like the SAME chart that
shows our casino's PROFITS on a yearly basis..
Once you sit for any length of time longer than four to five shoes- you are
really FIGHTING HARD AGAINST the game of blackjack..Because the LONGER you STAY on the grren felt table the GREATER your chances of running into bad shoes that give you MORE LOSSES than winning hands...That why some players say to Hit em' hard and quick and get your profits in ONE or TWO shoes or less.......
there is no HEAT!!..You come over to casino Arizona and you will see
there is NO HEAT!!your beats can go from $25-$500 and back to 25 again and THEY DO NOT CARE!!...ONLY IF YOU WIN $10,000 PER DAY FOR FIVE
DAYS in A ROW will you get a "congratulations" and a handshake from the PIT BOSS...... But I dont call THAT heat!!..In fact that is an "invite" to come back again..
Not only decent card counters wont make the claim- but GREATEST ever
card counters wont make the claim that they can win 90% of their blackjack sessions.....50% is best and they HOPE that the winning sessions have netted HIGHER PROFITS than the losing sessions.
I classify a session As---------- 3-4 hours of continuous blackjack play.......
ihate17
Well-Known Member
90%???
Let's see, I just finished playing hand shuffled games at 4 different Coast Casinos, MGM, Mandalay Bay, Monte Carlo, Tropicana, NYNY, Mirage, Wynn, Belaggio, and Hilton. Where is that Vegas you are writing about?
ihate17
Let's see, I just finished playing hand shuffled games at 4 different Coast Casinos, MGM, Mandalay Bay, Monte Carlo, Tropicana, NYNY, Mirage, Wynn, Belaggio, and Hilton. Where is that Vegas you are writing about?
ihate17
The PROBLEM with simulations is that it REALLY doesnt simulate exactly what happens on a blackjack table ie.. players moving in and out of the game , players bouncing back and forth going from one hand to two hands back to one.., players Doubling down on "hard 12" against dealers 3,4,5,6,..
and the most important reason is computer simulations are not a true comparison is because they dont COMPLETELY simulate a SIX DECK SHOE where the "deck cuts" are "random" such as in a casino....
Well , yes UNLESS your LUCK is good that day, then I say Go
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Oh, trust me I have Sloooowed down quite a bit.....in fact for the month of december I have played Blackjack ONCE for only an hour. ( I used to play for THREE-FOUR hours EVERY DAY after work).
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All "counters" are MORONS!..Why?..because it is just "another Mythological system that people use to think they can WIN at this UNBEATABLE game of blackjack..You can "lump" card counting systems in with negative and positive progressions as well... All systems work if you have just a bit of LUCK on your side.. If you dont have a bit of luck and just happen to run into one bad shoe after another and another then -NO SYSTEM WILL WORK- card counting or otherwise....
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Remember only two types of shoes a blackjack player will run into in ANY casino.. Dealer biased- WHERE THE DEALER MAKES THERE HAND 80-90% OF THE TIME..
A. DEALER BIASED SHOE-where the dealer makes their hand 80-90% of the time, doesnt bust much- and your total no matter how high your hand is-it's NEVER high enough.Out of 25 hands dealt you may win only 5-8 hands at MOST.
B. PLAYER BIASED SHOE-where the dealer is doing quite a bit of busting, and your hands are high enough for the win, even when the dealer is not busting.. You KNOW when you are on a PLAYER biased shoe because the number of wins just startle you..Out of twenty five hands dealt- you will win a HIGH percentage such as 15-17 hands..so obviously-
the player should be betting high on this shoe!
I dont know what the EXACT ratio is but at my casino after playing for about
400+ hours - the ratio is about 7-8 shoes out of 10 will be dealer biased shoes..
QFIT
Well-Known Member
Well that would be wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Now if you had said that incompetent sims were run in such a manner I might agree. But CVData can simulate everything you said sims can't.
LeonShuffle
Well-Known Member
Joel, you really need to stop now.
Brutus
Well-Known Member
ihate17
Well-Known Member
Is the mystical, mythical flow stuff again?
Joel
This is hilarious. First you call card counting a myth and then you talk about shoes that are biased as if the dealer can control what cards or coming out or better yet the cards themselves know just what they are doing.
The flow is the myth. How often have you played a shoe that started poorly and ended wonderful? How often have you played a shoe that starts great and ends poorly? I play these kind of shoes every single time I play blackjack.
Somehow you are telling us that because you lost the last several hands your chances of winning the next one have been reduced or if you won the past few that your chances have now increased. This is all pure, as the heading of this section of the forum states, voodoo!
Anyway, you have done one thing here, and that is got the board a little more lively.
ihate17
Joel
This is hilarious. First you call card counting a myth and then you talk about shoes that are biased as if the dealer can control what cards or coming out or better yet the cards themselves know just what they are doing.
The flow is the myth. How often have you played a shoe that started poorly and ended wonderful? How often have you played a shoe that starts great and ends poorly? I play these kind of shoes every single time I play blackjack.
Somehow you are telling us that because you lost the last several hands your chances of winning the next one have been reduced or if you won the past few that your chances have now increased. This is all pure, as the heading of this section of the forum states, voodoo!
Anyway, you have done one thing here, and that is got the board a little more lively.
ihate17
I usually think it's fine for people to say whatever they want even if its wrong, but joel is flooding the forum with incorrect information. Every single word out of his mouth is wrong or is a fallacy of some kind.
It was funny at first, but now it's starting to get old. He is obviously not here to learn how to improve his game, and he isn't adding much to the forums...
It was funny at first, but now it's starting to get old. He is obviously not here to learn how to improve his game, and he isn't adding much to the forums...
No, I am NOT here to IMPROVE MY game..I am here to tell people that the game is won by having luck or not having luck....and THAT is CORRECT information..show me a card counter that wins 90% of the time and I will show you a liar and a cheat....Or someone that doesnt play 4-5 days a week..
Look if you dont want me on this board...PEACE OUT!!...you'll find me
out at Casino Arizona WATCHING all the so called "shuffle trackers" and "card counters ".............RUNNING back and forth between the green felt table and the ATM machine withdrawing cash, cash, and more cash, to justify their system..............now that is THE TRUTH!!..
Peace out and good-bye...
Joel
sagefr0g
Well-Known Member
well gosh joel if it's really so hard to believe i guess that's a sort of a compliment for my results.
but the chart is for real and i would be happy to think it would look like a casino's profits as all i'm really doing is turning the tables on the casino's and using there own tactics on them.
Show me a professional baseball player that gets a hit 40% of the time.
You can't. Therefore,it is impossible for anyone to make money playing baseball,right Joel?
I thought it was kind of tedious from the get go,but I would love J to explain why he insists on playing in only that one casino when Vegas or Laughlin can't be more than a few hours way,even by bus?
You can't. Therefore,it is impossible for anyone to make money playing baseball,right Joel?
I thought it was kind of tedious from the get go,but I would love J to explain why he insists on playing in only that one casino when Vegas or Laughlin can't be more than a few hours way,even by bus?
sagefr0g
Well-Known Member
winning
success is achieved when one does what one sets out to do. so if one wants to succeed one must first understand the proper steps to achieve the goal. and finally follow those steps.
discussing the new principles of quantum mechanics such as the uncertainty principle Einstein once told a fellow scientist Neils Bohr "i refuse to believe that God plays dice with the world." Bohr's reply was "Dr. Einstein stop telling God what to do." another idea attributed to Einstein was that if one can imagine something then it can be understood. it's interesting that the uncertainty principle the very concept Einstein was relcutant to accept opens up the possibility that any thing is achievable.
winners recognize what steps are necessary to make a goal achievable .
this takes study and true understanding. then they have the character of conviction and courage to follow through with the necessary steps even if those steps are fraught with paths that temporarily lead away from the goal.
winners don't choose goals that they don't know how to achieve.
winners understand that no gain is with out risk. winners know that even the most simple task involves difficult hurdles to overcome and don't give up in the face of difficulty or apparent defeat. winners are masters of the penchant for instant gratification. winners are gratified by the mastery of the steps they take on the path towards their goal. winners are willing to face the possibility that they may lose. winners are willing to suffer loss on the path to success. winners when they lose know how to handle defeat and are not swayed from the goal they have set. winners aren't allways ahead, and they don't allways win but they are allways winners.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt
success is achieved when one does what one sets out to do. so if one wants to succeed one must first understand the proper steps to achieve the goal. and finally follow those steps.
discussing the new principles of quantum mechanics such as the uncertainty principle Einstein once told a fellow scientist Neils Bohr "i refuse to believe that God plays dice with the world." Bohr's reply was "Dr. Einstein stop telling God what to do." another idea attributed to Einstein was that if one can imagine something then it can be understood. it's interesting that the uncertainty principle the very concept Einstein was relcutant to accept opens up the possibility that any thing is achievable.
winners recognize what steps are necessary to make a goal achievable .
this takes study and true understanding. then they have the character of conviction and courage to follow through with the necessary steps even if those steps are fraught with paths that temporarily lead away from the goal.
winners don't choose goals that they don't know how to achieve.
winners understand that no gain is with out risk. winners know that even the most simple task involves difficult hurdles to overcome and don't give up in the face of difficulty or apparent defeat. winners are masters of the penchant for instant gratification. winners are gratified by the mastery of the steps they take on the path towards their goal. winners are willing to face the possibility that they may lose. winners are willing to suffer loss on the path to success. winners when they lose know how to handle defeat and are not swayed from the goal they have set. winners aren't allways ahead, and they don't allways win but they are allways winners.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt
reason why I am leaving and FINAL post
just received this PM from a board memeber named: ****
"If you don't like blackjack get the **** out of these forums and stop saying everyone it's purely a game of luck without even considering what they reply. About 20 people told you a card counter DON'T win most of the time, he only win over the long run because his wins are bigger than his lost all together. You are either a stupid pathologic gambler, a 12 years old kid who have no life and want to annoy people on a forum or some dude working for a casino, and none of these should be on this forum. Stop annoying people please."
****
__________________
Let me make my LAST post on this forum DIRECTLY to asiafever. So read carefully, because you are a bit on the retarded side and need constant reinforcement.
First off, I never said I "dont like blackjack", to use your words. I like blackjack. I just say is primarily based on luck.
Second. Dont tell me to get the "**** out of these forums"..I do as I please ,when I please, and how I please, with no regard to YOUR wants wishes or desires.
Third, I can say it is a game of luck. why? because its what I think and I can speak my mind as this is not a communist country like where you want it to be.
Fourth, I ALWAYS am considerate of peoples reply and am RESPECTFUL to them UNLESS they put me down first. , which in this case YOU DISRESPECTED ME FIRST.
Fifth- I KNOW card counters dont win MOST of the time. They win about half the time. But in the LONG RUN if they play enough they will LOSE more $$ than they win. The house ALWAYS WINS IN THE LONG RUN ..Blackjack is not a consistent ATM machine spitting out cash every time we play at the tables.. it is STILL a GAMBLE. And involves a GOOD deal of luck to come out ahead in the short run , long run or in-between run..
sixth- "You are either a stupid pathologic gambler, a 12 years old kid who have no life and want to annoy people on a forum or some dude working for a casino, and none of these should be on this forum. Stop annoying people please."
Well, I am none of these last I checked. I am NO LONGER a Daily blackjack player.Although ,I will be the FIRST to say it was a HIGHLY ADDICTIVE card game for me when I was playing it for three hours a day four-five days a week.
Seventh- I am not 12 years old- I am OLD ENOUGH to know that if you TRY to play it to make a living : that this game
will take you on some highs and lows that you cant imagine.. The lows are ALWAYS worse than the highs.Example : Win $1200-1800 three days in row day only to lose $3000-$3500 2-3 days in a row.
Eight - I am NOT" some dude working for a casino" I was just posting to REINFORCE the fact that this is a RECREATIONAL game and for entertainment. It is a DANGEROUS game for using to TRY to make a living off of..Some people dont know that. If you do, then fine -sit down and shut up. Let other new people to the game that havent played over 1000 hours of blackjack like me, listen to the message.
Ninth- and yes, people like ME SHOULD BE on this forum- otherwise its one sided-talking about strategies to win, win win,. Remember all the startegies in the world has been used on this game throughout centuries and yet ALOT of money has been lost. Even the card counting MIT team if you bother to read the book, went through a horrible losing streak towards the end. Their explaination?....simple.. if you read the book: Their explaination was BAD LUCK..
You know- If you had ANY balls at all-(which you dont)..You would come over to Casino Arizona and I would make a bet with you. Since you think your so high and mighty at this game. I will give you $2000 cash if you can make $2000 profit by playing just ONE shoe on our table that has $25 min $500 max limits. One shoe is MORE than ENOUGH for such a great card player as you. You will be dealt approx 25 hands..You will give me $2000 cash if you FAIL to win a $2000 profit at the END of that ONE shoe....oh and one more thing before the FIRST card turns over in your circle....."bad luck to you"...may the RED light come on EVERY time black chips hit your circle.....
Keep in mind the rules of the bet: 1. I will be watching your initial "buy-in". 2. I will be watching your cash-out to the end. to calc profit/loss.
3. I will be watching EVERY HAND. 4. I will wishing you BAD KARMA and BAD LUCK on each and EVERY hand including the all IMPORTANT DOUBLE DOWNS..You may want to think twice about doubling down..So what DAY do you want to meet?..
Tenth-"Stop annoying people please"-
dont worry this is my last POST, you bastard.
Joel
just received this PM from a board memeber named: ****
"If you don't like blackjack get the **** out of these forums and stop saying everyone it's purely a game of luck without even considering what they reply. About 20 people told you a card counter DON'T win most of the time, he only win over the long run because his wins are bigger than his lost all together. You are either a stupid pathologic gambler, a 12 years old kid who have no life and want to annoy people on a forum or some dude working for a casino, and none of these should be on this forum. Stop annoying people please."
****
__________________
Let me make my LAST post on this forum DIRECTLY to asiafever. So read carefully, because you are a bit on the retarded side and need constant reinforcement.
First off, I never said I "dont like blackjack", to use your words. I like blackjack. I just say is primarily based on luck.
Second. Dont tell me to get the "**** out of these forums"..I do as I please ,when I please, and how I please, with no regard to YOUR wants wishes or desires.
Third, I can say it is a game of luck. why? because its what I think and I can speak my mind as this is not a communist country like where you want it to be.
Fourth, I ALWAYS am considerate of peoples reply and am RESPECTFUL to them UNLESS they put me down first. , which in this case YOU DISRESPECTED ME FIRST.
Fifth- I KNOW card counters dont win MOST of the time. They win about half the time. But in the LONG RUN if they play enough they will LOSE more $$ than they win. The house ALWAYS WINS IN THE LONG RUN ..Blackjack is not a consistent ATM machine spitting out cash every time we play at the tables.. it is STILL a GAMBLE. And involves a GOOD deal of luck to come out ahead in the short run , long run or in-between run..
sixth- "You are either a stupid pathologic gambler, a 12 years old kid who have no life and want to annoy people on a forum or some dude working for a casino, and none of these should be on this forum. Stop annoying people please."
Well, I am none of these last I checked. I am NO LONGER a Daily blackjack player.Although ,I will be the FIRST to say it was a HIGHLY ADDICTIVE card game for me when I was playing it for three hours a day four-five days a week.
Seventh- I am not 12 years old- I am OLD ENOUGH to know that if you TRY to play it to make a living : that this game
will take you on some highs and lows that you cant imagine.. The lows are ALWAYS worse than the highs.Example : Win $1200-1800 three days in row day only to lose $3000-$3500 2-3 days in a row.
Eight - I am NOT" some dude working for a casino" I was just posting to REINFORCE the fact that this is a RECREATIONAL game and for entertainment. It is a DANGEROUS game for using to TRY to make a living off of..Some people dont know that. If you do, then fine -sit down and shut up. Let other new people to the game that havent played over 1000 hours of blackjack like me, listen to the message.
Ninth- and yes, people like ME SHOULD BE on this forum- otherwise its one sided-talking about strategies to win, win win,. Remember all the startegies in the world has been used on this game throughout centuries and yet ALOT of money has been lost. Even the card counting MIT team if you bother to read the book, went through a horrible losing streak towards the end. Their explaination?....simple.. if you read the book: Their explaination was BAD LUCK..
You know- If you had ANY balls at all-(which you dont)..You would come over to Casino Arizona and I would make a bet with you. Since you think your so high and mighty at this game. I will give you $2000 cash if you can make $2000 profit by playing just ONE shoe on our table that has $25 min $500 max limits. One shoe is MORE than ENOUGH for such a great card player as you. You will be dealt approx 25 hands..You will give me $2000 cash if you FAIL to win a $2000 profit at the END of that ONE shoe....oh and one more thing before the FIRST card turns over in your circle....."bad luck to you"...may the RED light come on EVERY time black chips hit your circle.....
Keep in mind the rules of the bet: 1. I will be watching your initial "buy-in". 2. I will be watching your cash-out to the end. to calc profit/loss.
3. I will be watching EVERY HAND. 4. I will wishing you BAD KARMA and BAD LUCK on each and EVERY hand including the all IMPORTANT DOUBLE DOWNS..You may want to think twice about doubling down..So what DAY do you want to meet?..
Tenth-"Stop annoying people please"-
dont worry this is my last POST, you bastard.
Joel
Joel,
I for one, am sad to see you leave. Rarely have I been so entertained by someone who just doesn't get it.
Your last post shows that dispite nearly one hundred posts attempting to
educate you about what card counting is,and what a counter can or can't do,you persist in spouting the same flawed version of reality.
Please don't go.
I for one, am sad to see you leave. Rarely have I been so entertained by someone who just doesn't get it.
Your last post shows that dispite nearly one hundred posts attempting to
educate you about what card counting is,and what a counter can or can't do,you persist in spouting the same flawed version of reality.
Please don't go.
azbetsgonewild
Active Member
OMG man, seriously,
QUIT BLAMING CASINO ARIZONA
I have been trying to point this out to you. Casino arizona is NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CASINO
Any 6 deck, hit soft 17 blackjack game is going to be exactly the same!! They are not using some MAGIC VOODOO on the cards to make this house an 'Impenetrable fortress' !!!!
Yes the game can be beaten over time!! A card counter, based on wins vs. losses will always come out ahead in the end.
The people you speak of are probably not disciplined card counters, they may be counters, but they could also be the type that come in, make a bunch of max bets and bitch about it when they don't win every time.
Honestly, MOST people I have met in a casino are FULL OF SHIT anyways. I tune out all of the psycho-babble because most of the people are idiots. There is your occasional smart player, but most of them are not and doing nothing but adding to the casinos bottom line.
