peaegg said:
I read about the advantages sitting at the third base. It allows you to see more cards before making a playing decision. But I wonder if it was tested by a simulation. Since switched from Hi-lo to Zen, I found the count changes quite dramatically. For example, it could be RC +20 to a negative number just in a round, if most of the seven hands getting 20s. My observations made me think if the first base has some advantages in betting spread, since first base's cards should be more correlated to the count before the round is dealt. Have you seen tens and aces were given to the first couples seats when you put a max bet but only getting a soft hand at the third base? If AP's most advantages should come from the bet spread, not from knowing the playing index, I thought 1st base could have a higher advantage. Any thoughts on that?
Peaegg (I am new here. the handle means "naughty boy" in another language)
I actually started to take notice in this a few years ago. Playing at my kitchen table I would sometimes play up to four hands(ghost) vs the dealer, for months on end. After reaching my set milestone I would revert back to playing heads up against the dealer.
Wow, you talk about a 180, a 180, is exactly what it was.
As the months and years dragged by I watched time and time again in disbelief how I wasnt getting the same hands on the SAME TC playing heads up, opposed to four hands(players) while playing 1st base when raising my bets. I found this to be paticulary true off the top of a 2deck game. After the point of 1 deck remaining the anamoly almost completely diminish's without a trace! The same was true when you went from 6 to 7 players, oppossed to 1 to 2. Just like the number of decks in play, the greatest change in this anamoly is when you go from 1player(hand) to 2, after 2 the level of expectation starts to decline with each increasing player.
It only made sense to me, that sense were raising our win rate by playing more hands per hour that it doesnt come without a price. Conversely, the same is true with a full table. In other words Im saying the more players at the table the more agressive you can be spreading your bets. And the more conservative you should be while playing heads up, while four players is what you should use as your guide.
I do have a theory however that when you cross the threshhold of 1-4 players to 4-7 the emphasis is now placed on table position, instead of the number of players.
For example playing third base with a full table would have the same effect as playing heads up. But playing first base with a full table could give the player the edge for the aspect of betting. While playing shortstop with a full table could have the same effect as playing 1st base with 4 people at the table. Or say your playing the second spot with four people is the same as playing 1st base with 3 people at the table.
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Nevertheless if you can figure out how this works, depending on which seat your setting in, and how many people are playing, I truly believe you can enhance your betting somewhat. That goes for hard doubling as well. And remember your level of expectation starts to decline as the number of players increases and in contrast to the further down the line you are.Theres 28 different spots!
Heres what my modified A02 count looks like: Ive had stronger success with this. 2decks: 1st base:Beting Indices
1stbase
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2 decks 1.5 1deck
Head to head 9/12 7/10 5/8
2 players 8/11
3players 7 /10 6/9
4players 7/10 4/6
5players 6/9
6players 6/9
7player *5/8 4/6 2/3
Ill have to reformat this on paper since its been almost a year since Ive practiced the A02 and four other counts ago, but heres the general Idea!* This means when I bump my bet, oppossed to if I was playing heads up I would be more conservative and wait to bump it @ a RC of +9
Time for a nap:sleep: