20k hands played still losing

BoSox

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#41
Stevel96a1 said:
and thats why i am gonna switch to FPDW and sometimes aces and faces full pay too
Can anyone find FPDW for anything more than 25 cent machines? I always felt that the casinos were only throwing a bone to a few elderly people for good publicity.
 

LC Larry

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#42
BoSox said:
Can anyone find FPDW for anything more than 25 cent machines? I always felt that the casinos were only throwing a bone to a few elderly people for good publicity.
I'll reiterate. He'll make more money working at McDonald's.

As for him citing Dancer. He plays high stakes and MUST HAVE lucrative cash back, comps, multiplier point days, mailers, etc. I'm quite certain even he will admit that without these things, you will lose at VP.

If you think you're going to grind your way to riches on quarter video poker, you're in for a rude awakening.
 
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Larry i am assumming you never played more than 30hours at the blackjack table and if you did im sure you went broke, yes i am calling you a liar, i am telling the truth with my VP success if you do not wish to believe thats fine, and we all understand casinos do not put games out there such as VP BJ unless they have the edge (and most cases they do) but no in Bobs case and not in Kens case either both won a cool mil

and there are WAY more gamblers who won money from VP than BJ you come back to me after your losing streak of 60k hands are over and i'll come back to you when i lost all my money to VP alright?
 
#45
Stevel96a1 said:
Larry i am assumming you never played more than 30hours at the blackjack table and if you did im sure you went broke, yes i am calling you a liar, i am telling the truth with my VP success if you do not wish to believe thats fine, and we all understand casinos do not put games out there such as VP BJ unless they have the edge (and most cases they do) but no in Bobs case and not in Kens case either both won a cool mil

and there are WAY more gamblers who won money from VP than BJ you come back to me after your losing streak of 60k hands are over and i'll come back to you when i lost all my money to VP alright?
I think your point of view about VP vs BJ is interesting but do you mind moving it to another thread so that we can discuss it in a concentrated place? I would like to learn more about VP but it's hard to get all our thoughts together when we're all talking about it in a random forum post about something else with 3 different conversations going on.
 

LC Larry

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#46
I've got a tad bit more than 30 hours in at blackjack, even in my counting days. I know counting is a grind and that's why I moved to getting bigger edges at the game.
 
#47
sorry John i did not mean to hijack your thread or sidetrack it i just gave my 2 cent in a post and this guy or guys decide go back and forth on me

okay fine i will make minium wage mcdonalds ? whats that 13$ an hr in nyc or canada? + comps and slots and bounce backs were talking close to 20$ with over time =)

sure beats the snot outta losing my bank playing negative game i'll do that for a couple years and go from there
 
#48
Stevel96a1 said:
sorry John i did not mean to hijack your thread or sidetrack it i just gave my 2 cent in a post and this guy or guys decide go back and forth on me

okay fine i will make minium wage mcdonalds ? whats that 13$ an hr in nyc or canada? + comps and slots and bounce backs were talking close to 20$ with over time =)

sure beats the snot outta losing my bank playing negative game i'll do that for a couple years and go from there
It's okay, I urge you to open a thread about VP though because I am interested in the topic.
 

ZenKinG

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#49
Don't listen to Steve, hes another degenerate, one of many on these pathetic forums. Most of the people on these forums are frauds or degenerates. 99% of them.
 
#50
yea go listen to Zenking hes another mental case who thinks the chinese cards are against him when he gambles but only in vegas! most counters go broke due to variance and bankroll complications...
 

ZenKinG

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#51
Stevel96a1 said:
yea go listen to Zenking hes another mental case who thinks the chinese cards are against him when he gambles but only in vegas! most counters go broke due to variance and bankroll complications...
Yea go aheqd and tell me your lifetime casino profits. Ill wait
 

ZenKinG

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#52
Let me clarify my answer. I dont know why I said by switching it would be $25 in EV, it's actually $125 in EV. This is what happens when you post late at night and tired. The answer is still the same, but just want to clarify my typo.

If it's a one shot deal, you take the CE of 100 by not switching. If we're going to keep playing this envelope game unlimited times, then switching is the correct move.
 
#53
this year profit siting at 3,000, off to a good start i'll be hitting up more video poker soon enough a 4,000 for 4,000 sounds good to me, are you still at 60k? or 37k? or playing with a 12k roll? which is it Mr Zen King?

keep attacking the shoes im sure you will hit your 100k mark like Ben and Colin did
 

ZenKinG

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#54
Stevel96a1 said:
this year profit siting at 3,000, off to a good start i'll be hitting up more video poker soon enough a 4,000 for 4,000 sounds good to me, are you still at 60k? or 37k? or playing with a 12k roll? which is it Mr Zen King?

keep attacking the shoes im sure you will hit your 100k mark like Ben and Colin did
My bankroll is at 43.4k and have lifetime earnings of 37K+ after 1100 hours and performing at nearly half my EV because I'm simply cursed or being cheated.

You have yet to tell me your lifetime earnings and how many hours you have played? Go ahead, ill wait you degenerate.
 
#55
im not a degenerate, you are a mental case, and maybe problem gambler, shouldnt you be at the tables earning $$$ or getting banned? your 43k bankroll will be gone with 1year and i never claimed to be a pro and it seems to me you prefer to read and post oppose to hit the tables like Mr Yoshi come back to me when you are at Kool jays lvl
 
#57
JohnCrover said:
20,001 hands played and -840.5. How can anyone do this for a living?
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Edit: 20,050 -1,170.5
How is your game:

1. Type of card count.
2. Bet spread.
3. Bankroll.
4. Rules for BJ's game.
5. Do you use situational game techniques or do you play strictly as the simulator says? For example, if you are on a TC + 5 and you lose 2, 4, or 5 consecutive big bets, do you keep betting until you lose 10 consecutive?
 
#58
JohnCrover said:
Rules : 6 deck, 1 Deck cut off from play, DAS DA2, No RSA, LS, 5-60 spread, Hi-lo, Top 30 indexes probably more (if you want the precise indexes ask and I will be happy to share), 5-60 bet spread, 15 @ TC 1, 30 @TC 2, [email protected] TC 3, 60 @ TC 4, for the most part play all but I have began to Wong out more often. I am playing on the strategy trainer on this website.
Update: 20,591 hands played, -1,593.

15 @ TC 1, 30 @TC 2, [email protected] TC 3, 60 @ TC 4

your bet spread is not correct for Hi Low you are absorbing a lot of variance by placing a very high bet on TC + 1 and TC + 2

It should be like that:

TC: 0 Wong Out
TC: +1 bet $ 5
TC: +2 bet $ 20
TC: +3 bet $ 40
TC: +4 bet $ 60

I recommend a bankroll of 120 Big bets ($ 7,200) and if you lose 10 or 20 Big bets you have to optimize the spread of the bet.

How much money to bring for a session?

For each hour of play carry 5 big bets, if you play 4 hours a night with 20 big bets you are protected
 

KewlJ

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#59
Goodrodrich said:
I recommend a bankroll of 120 Big bets ($ 7,200) and if you lose 10 or 20 Big bets you have to optimize the spread of the bet.

How much money to bring for a session?

For each hour of play carry 5 big bets, if you play 4 hours a night with 20 big bets you are protected
This is bad advice, IMO. The 120 max bet is ok. I prefer players use software which can be individualized to their specific play and RoR comfort levels rather than a general 100, 120, 150 or 200 max bet rule, but that's just me. 120 is an ok number for many.

But this 5 big bets an hour is rubbish. A player can and frequently does lose 5, 6 even occasionally 7 or 8 big bets on a single round.

I start my day with 20-25 max bets. I won't start a 6 deck session with less than 15 (DD maybe 10, preferable 12). If you do chose to start with less you are risking having to walk away from a big +EV, + count and that is the last thing a card counter wants to do. We work hard and play through some crap to get to the good, +EV counts. You don't want to walk away....unless the troops are gathering and curtain about to fall. And even then, if a really strong count, you try to squeeze one more round in. :eek:
 

DSchles

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#60
Goodrodrich said:
5. Do you use situational game techniques or do you play strictly as the simulator says? For example, if you are on a TC + 5 and you lose 2, 4, or 5 consecutive big bets, do you keep betting until you lose 10 consecutive?
You are, of course, spouting nonsense. Who taught you this crap?

Don
 
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