45 min craps roll at local casino

[standard toaster]

Its been a long time since I really posted anything especially about dice control but last night was just a great run.

Got into a full table next up for the dice right next to the stick man able to toss with my right... my perfect position. Now whether it is luck or not we can all argue but after 8 points and 45 min of constant payouts I'm really starting to feel the effects of dice influencing.

Now it has been debated whether or not this feat is possible.... I have no problem saying that it is impossible to control the dice on every toss but just one out of every 30 or so controlled tosses breaks even. You are not going for an exact pair you are not going for any exact set... the point is to keep them on axis so your drastically reduce the number of combinations possible. After many many hours of practicing I believe I can control much more than that and it has been reflecting in live play.

To anyone out there debating dice control I suggest you look into it and give it a try especially if you are already a craps player.... whats the worst that can happen you play a normal game? This really is a "skill" you can aquire without having to risk a spread, being backed off or a massive bankroll... again the worst case scenario is you still play a normal game with a near zero house edge on your bet.

 

[Pro21]

ST, have you had any heat for your controlled throwing? How much are you betting?

 

[ChefJJ]

Beautiful to hear, ST. Those big ones are tough to come by, even with solid DC skills.

good luck :joker:

 

[bj bob]

Beautiful to hear, ST. Those big ones are tough to come by, even with solid DC skills.

good luck :joker:

Hey JJ. I thought you were at the Lake, what gives?

 

[ChefJJ]

Hey JJ. I thought you were at the Lake, what gives?

Next Sunday/Monday...two nights, and then 13 more in the Pacific Northwest. Can't wait :joker::joker::joker:

 

[standard toaster]

ST, have you had any heat for your controlled throwing? How much are you betting?

I have never received any head from dice control. Usually a dice setter memorizes the pattern of the dice and can set it without anyone really noticing. This time there were two guys that were wasted and the pit was pissed... not at me but their terrible etiquette

I do not bet all that muchy really. I usually bet the table min on the pass line ($10) with full table odds unless it offers 100x where i play as much odds as i can afford (depending on the point but sometimes up to $150)

I also like playing the hard set sometimes and will hop the hardways

if im not playing a hard set ill usually take 2 points and a come bet. with the last time I played I ended up having about $75 on every point and they all paid out many times over

 

[moo321]

I have never received any head from dice control.

:laugh:

 

[standard toaster]

:laugh:

lol thats the last time I make a post after the bars lol

 

[winthelottery]

Nice to hear from you. Thanks.

 

[FLASH1296]

Reading "Wong on Dice" the truth is revealed.
Success at controlling the dice is quite possible,
IF you have excellent eye-hand coordination and excellent vision.
It helps a lot to have a long reach and to be tall.

An athletic young man who was a star High School Quarterback,
who posted here for quite a while, I taught the rudiments of this skill.

He made a "dice rig" He practiced daily.
He moved from the BJ Pit to the Dice Pit.
It is my understanding that he is doing too
well at it to play BJ anymore.

 

[standard toaster]

Reading "Wong on Dice" the truth is revealed.
Success at controlling the dice is quite possible,
IF you have excellent eye-hand coordination and excellent vision.
It helps a lot to have a long reach and to be tall.

An athletic young man who was a star High School Quarterback,
who posted here for quite a while, I taught the rudiments of this skill.

He made a "dice rig" He practiced daily.
He moved from the BJ Pit to the Dice Pit.
It is my understanding that he is doing too
well at it to play BJ anymore.

Wong is a very big supporter of DC. I felt as though he started his book on DC to soon though. I believe he wrote it right after he took a lesson from "The golden touch" or something like that I can not recall the name.

When people found out he wrote it after a lesson I think that made them doubt it quite a bit.

I am also a strong believer you can do very well at the tables for quite a long time. The hard part is you can not measure it like at counting. So after thousands of rolls you may not be sure how its working out or if you can even do it

 

[moo321]

Wong is a very big supporter of DC. I felt as though he started his book on DC to soon though. I believe he wrote it right after he took a lesson from "The golden touch" or something like that I can not recall the name.

When people found out he wrote it after a lesson I think that made them doubt it quite a bit.

I am also a strong believer you can do very well at the tables for quite a long time. The hard part is you can not measure it like at counting. So after thousands of rolls you may not be sure how its working out or if you can even do it

What in the world does that mean? Either you're playing at an advantage and it will easily show in your records, or you're not. If you're not throwing sevens at a lower rate, you're not controlling the dice, no matter how it feels.

If your ERA is 10 after pitching for a whole season, you're a terrible pitcher. Doesn't matter how it "feels".

 

[standard toaster]

you can easily track an era. It is much harder to track how many controlled and usefull throws you have.

How many throws, how many hours how many points and sevens do you have to throw in a given amount of time to prove you have overcome the house edge?

Im sure it can be calculated but its not as simple as blackjack or a pitchers era.

 

[FLASH1296]

You can measure your ability at D.C. much easier than you can at BJ

All that one needs to do is to measure how long he can roll without rolling a seven,
or conversely, how often he can intentionally roll a 7.

The likelihood of rolling or not rolling a 7 if rolling randomly is obvious.
1/6 and 5/6.

If I try to roll 7's and roll 300 times, 50 is the random expectation for rolling 7's.

If I try to NOT roll a 7 and I roll 300 times, 250 is the random expectation for rolling Non-7's.

Wong (and others) give the statistically significant percentages.

 

[ChefJJ]

A funny connection between receiving heat and my recent trip to Tahoe: Crystal Bay Club off the top said "no setting the dice" on my first roll as I rotated a die once...not after success, but right off the top. Casino policy. Let's just say that we didn't stay long.

First time I've ever got any heat besides being asked to keep the dice from going too high or not hitting the back wall.

good luck :joker:

 

[moo321]

You can measure your ability at D.C. much easier than you can at BJ

All that one needs to do is to measure how long he can roll without rolling a seven,
or conversely, how often he can intentionally roll a 7.

The likelihood of rolling or not rolling a 7 if rolling randomly is obvious.
1/6 and 5/6.

If I try to roll 7's and roll 300 times, 50 is the random expectation for rolling 7's.

If I try to NOT roll a 7 and I roll 300 times, 250 is the random expectation for rolling Non-7's.

Wong (and others) give the statistically significant percentages.

Other than the wizardofodds experiment, which was a small sample size, I'm not aware of a lot of statistically significant data. I can grant that it's possible, but not likely, until I see some hard data.

The only situation in which I will readily concede it is easily possible to control is if the shooter is not hitting the back wall.

 

[runningaces]

Thats disturbing to hear JJ. The thing that I find funny is the casinos and alot of the so called experts totally denounce dice control but they still didn't let you set the dice.

I seen a guy in Caesars back in June just kill it setting the dice, every single toss the dice landed the same spot, same backspin it was awesome to watch. I happened to be on a 15 minute break in the poker tourney so I jumped in, did 130 across and by the time he finally 7'd out I was late 15 minutes getting back to the tourney. The amount of money I won being late totaly made up for it.

I myself do set the dice as well and have never been backed off/ gotten heat for setting. The only bit of heat I've gotten has been from short rolling the wall. There are certain casinos ( not to be named) out there that will let you get away with alot of stuff due to the fact they have no clue. These are my first places of choice to play at. But of course, the places I'm talking about don't have limits of 5k like Vegas. It's always good to have a friend with when you play some of the obscure places so you can double there max bet when having a huge roll.

Good luck all at whatever games your playing.

 

[ChefJJ]

Fortunately, the couple days in Tahoe weren't centered on gambling, so I took my business across the road and had a good night. Also knocked CalNeva for some good BJ winnings...no craps table there though.

But otherwise, you are spot on, runningaces...the friendly joints get my business, and the crews get my tokes. I'll be the first to tell you that I'm not looking to break the bank, and green Place/several on Odds won't raise the red flag. As long as I have a good time, win consistently, and enjoy some beverages, I'm a happy man.

good luck :joker:

 

[Xur]

i still have no clue how to play this game...i need to read a book on it or something...shiiiittt :joker:

 

[Thunder]

My craps experience

The only thing I don't like about craps is that you need a huge bankroll to be able to take advantage of full odds for a losing game. If playing 10x odds, usually the lowest min. table I can find is $10. This means risking $110 for each session. I would imagine you probably want a 40x bankroll, so I'm guessing you need over 4 grand. That said, I've found when setting the dice, I seem to last an average of 8 or 9 throws.