7 7 vs 8

#21
Speaking about Ken Smith strategy cards, last night there was a guy, a real mashugana, I told him, "Sir, they sell the chart at the gift shop," after I saw him make a really bad play...
... He said he had the chart, he bought it on Amazon, but he didn't like to use it because it bothers the other players when he takes time to look up a play.
... I told him fuck the other players get the damn chart out on the table! He's back an hour later with his chart, and it was Ken's!
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#22
xengrifter said:
a real mashugana, I told him,
You mean he was from Michigan?
Seriously, I'm surprised you would use such a word, considering the anti-Semitic vitriol you allow on your forum.

BTW, speaking of strategy cards, I was once playing MS Stud and the player next to me had a basic strategy card for it. I didn't know such a thing existed, but yes, and on the bottom it said produced by James Grosjean.
 
#23
21forme said:
Seriously, I'm surprised you would use such a word, considering the anti-Semitic vitriol you allow on your forum.
The term mashugana is anti-Semitic??
That's news to me, all the Jewish side of my family have used it for ages! It's a Yiddish Ashkenazi word ... It means loco-pendejo in Espanol...
... So this crazy yahoo later runs into me at the Starbucks food court area, and I tell him I forgot to say don't play the sucker bets, they will eat you alive! And he tells me that the strategy card isn't working very well, but he's making all his money off the sucker bets!

Oy vey mashugana!
 
#26
We have busted many anti-semitic posts over the years, but we have also allowed many posts that were accused of anti-semitism but were actually criticizing Israel. But now enough up this off topic stuff, this is a blackjack board, right?
 

MJGolf

Well-Known Member
#27
I have purchased Ken's cards and they seem accurate to me when comparing to books like Don's. Glad he responded. But I truly think it's just a difference of flooring v. another method of calculating the index. Man, 1 number difference is SO close sometimes that I agree with Snyder, that it can't matter too much in the overall scheme of things. And Don sometimes puts out the numbers in cents difference per play. I wonder what the true percentage of hands will occur that you will see 7 7 v. 8 in your total playing hours? Don probably knows off the top of his head but since splits occur the least of other hand combinations, I bet it's not a great number.
 

DSchles

Well-Known Member
#28
The frequency of the holding is what distinguishes the conditional values from the absolute values. One is based on the condition that you already have the holding. The absolute is the penatly that factors in the frequency of the hand.

This is why all pair indices, except 10s, are worth so little; the frequency of any xx, vs, y holding, where x is 2-9, and y is anything but 10, is once every 2,272 hands for 6-deck. So, maybe once every 23 hours, just to see the holding. Now, on top of that, you have to have the required true count! So, for, say, +4 or higher, maybe 10% of the time. So now you make the play once every 230 hours!

Finally, if you're just AT the index, the difference is so minimal that you've waited 230 hours to earn $5. Do you see how utterly worthless the whole thing is?

Don
 
#29
DSchles said:
Finally, if you're just AT the index, the difference is so minimal that you've waited 230 hours to earn $5. Do you see how utterly worthless the whole thing is?
Hey, if I waited 230 hours, 30,000 hands of blackjack, and I get that holding...
... I sure as hell I'm going to get my $5 worth! Hell yes!
 

MJGolf

Well-Known Member
#30
xengrifter said:
Hey, if I waited 230 hours, 30,000 hands of blackjack, and I get that holding...
... I sure as hell I'm going to get my $5 worth! Hell yes!
And then you would promptly throw the $5 to the dealer as a tip, declaring, "I've been waiting 230 hours to do this"..........just to counteract the minimal gain in your overall EV JUST for fun!!!! LOL
 
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