A story of a body computer

[MyUpperHand]

Hello, my name is Dennis, I am a new member of your group and I’m a blackjack enthusiast and have been a custom software developer for 28 years.
I’m retired now but while I was working for AT&T some 20 years ago I used to write gambling software for a hobby. Craps table, blackjack table, roulette, things like that. One day one of my co-workers (another programmer) in my office asked me if I would talk with a friend of hers about creating a body computer that could be worn at the blackjack table. I told her sure... I would talk with him.
He wanted to be able to input cards as they were dealt, push a button and have a concealed computer shuffle the cards and on the next shoe predict with a vibrator strapped to his leg the prediction of high or low cards coming.
Since I was previously an electronics technician I said I thought I could do it, we came to an agreement and I made the device complete with thigh micro-buttons attached to plastic nursery pots with the bottom cut out that were cut in half (fit the contour of the leg perfect). I didn’t take any money up front because I wasn’t sure if I could actually do it. I never delivered the product. He couldn’t come up with the cash and faulted on his end of the agreement.
So there I was, left with code that shuffled cards, so I started thinking how I could recoup some of my investment. That’s where Shuffle Trak software began 19 years ago.
In the past 19 years I have been (if you will pardon my pun) programming and dealing with shuffles and shuffle tracking and I want to share the information I got over those years with you. I have developed an on-line course that teaches shuffle tracking in a completely new and understandable way. I encourage everyone that has even thought about shuffle tracking to take this course.
It’s free. You do not have to register or give any information and I guarantee I can teach you how to clump track an actual casino shuffle in use today in Las Vegas in less than 45 minutes and all you have to remember is a sequence of 12 characters of the alphabet. That’s it. Take the course and see. Here’s a link. http://MyUpperHand.com/MUH/ShuffleTracking101.aspx (Archive copy)
Regards, Dennis

 

[Pro21]

Was this the Shuffle Trak software that came out 10 or 15 years ago?

 

[MyUpperHand]

Was this the Shuffle Trak software that came out 10 or 15 years ago?

Yes, That's the one.

 

[MeWin$]

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I guess ill be the first to call bulls***.
You learn to track Vegas shuffles in less than an hour?!
Im offering my professional opinion to protect innocent parties from be robbed of their money.
My upper hand, dont respond to me because i wont debate you.
I guess Arnold Snyder had it all wrong when he said it takes a keen eye, disipline, and MONTHS of practice.
The best way to lose a bankroll is to improperly shuffle track.
And having a body computer doesnt have anything to do with anything, much less 'predicting' the way the cards will come out the next shoe.
It sounds like voodoo made to appeal and lure in newer counters.

Maybe im wrong but beware, thats my opinion.

 

[MyUpperHand]

This man is right (He can't do it, it's imposoble!)

I guess ill be the first to call bulls***.
You learn to track Vegas shuffles in less than an hour?!
Im offering my professional opinion to protect innocent parties from be robbed of their money.
My upper hand, dont respond to me because i wont debate you.
I guess Arnold Snyder had it all wrong when he said it takes a keen eye, disipline, and MONTHS of practice.
The best way to lose a bankroll is to improperly shuffle track.
And having a body computer doesnt have anything to do with anything, much less 'predicting' the way the cards will come out the next shoe.
It sounds like voodoo made to appeal and lure in newer counters.

Maybe im wrong but beware, thats my opinion.

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History is full of well intentioned people saying it can't be done or the world is flat. They just want to protect you from the many mistakes they have made. I respect this gentalmen for his openion but he's wrong.

You can learn to clump track in less than 45 minutes and it' free without any obligation. I have never "robbed" anyone of anything. I am proud of the reprutation I've gained of the 19 years I have been developing advantage play software.

You take the short course and decide for yourself and please report back here on your findings and the value and content of the course.

Regards,
Dennis
Owner/Developer
Mesa Verde Software Systems
Developers of Shuffle Trak, Baccarat Buster and Texas Tutor software.

 

[HockeXpert]

A story of a victim and his money soon becoming separated

an actual casino shuffle in use today in Las Vegas

Talk about reinventing the wheel. Dennis is referring to a one pass r & r. Yes, it exists in Las Vegas today but finding it is almost as hard as learning to really ST.

ST'ing is not as cut and dried as plugging a formula into a computer and coming up with an optimum solution. As MeWin$ said, Snyder wrote that this requires acute visual and cutting skills and takes months to perfect IF you possess the skills to do so and it does take a tremendous amount of skill.

If Dennis' software was so good he would use it on himself, make a killing and not have to "share" it with the rest of the world.

AND, I personally think that Dennis may have violated the copyright (if it exists) on Norm's ST'ing software. It sure looks the same to me.

HockeXpert

 

[Pro21]

AND, I personally think that Dennis may have violated the copyright (if it exists) on Norm's ST'ing software. It sure looks the same to me.

HockeXpert

I have not seen Norm's software but from what I hear it very much looks like Shuffle Trak which came out LONG before Norm's version. I believe I wrote a review of Shuffle Trak for BJ Forum many years ago, but don't remember for sure.

 

[Bojack1]

This can be a dangerous thread for any out there looking to be proficient shuffletrackers. The belief that you can be a competent tracker in 45 mins is completely false. The fact that using just computer software will make you a competent tracker is also completely false. It is an aid, and a tool for sure, but you need more. As far as I'm concerned there are so few really tracking to the standard needed to have measurable success that this thread need not continue in debate. Just my humble opinion, but I now believe that without serious training and practice there are so few players out there tracking to any degree of what they believe their supposed advantage to be. Most don't even know what their supposed advantage to be is. A huge percentage of self proclaimed trackers are figuring the noise in the equation as results from what I have seen. Most don't seem to have a clue what it takes to actually play this technique as an advantage. It seems more to be accepted as such a high variance play that it is accepted to lose quite often and and take the wins as an extra if they come. If thats the case, stop playing it right now. That will prove the higher EV move.

 

[MyUpperHand]

Talk about reinventing the wheel. Dennis is referring to a one pass r & r. Yes, it exists in Las Vegas today but finding it is almost as hard as learning to really ST.

ST'ing is not as cut and dried as plugging a formula into a computer and coming up with an optimum solution. As MeWin$ said, Snyder wrote that this requires acute visual and cutting skills and takes months to perfect IF you possess the skills to do so and it does take a tremendous amount of skill.

If Dennis' software was so good he would use it on himself, make a killing and not have to "share" it with the rest of the world.

AND, I personally think that Dennis may have violated the copyright (if it exists) on Norm's ST'ing software. It sure looks the same to me.

HockeXpert

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I will not bother you folks anymore I apologize for the intrusion. Before I leave let me clarify a couple of things.
My software has been under U.S. copyright laws for the past 19 years. If somebody’s software looks like mine perhaps the shoe is on the other foot.
As far as software sales, there is a tool set available but every tool in that kit is also made available on line for free. Nothing requires the user to buy anything,
If you wish to take this post down then do it because you believe it infringes on everything you have been saying not because it is an offering of sale for anything. Kill the messenger.
I will be happy to die and go away.
To you folks that take the course weather you believe it will help improve your game or not please post your opinions of the course.

 

[tensplitter]

If someone is caught with this computer in a casino, they can expect a long time in jail. Even if all it was doing was counting cards.

 

[BillytheBJkid]

isn't it against the rules to use a computer in the casino?

 

[Sonny]

It looks like I missed a lot this weekend!

Hi Dennis. Thanks for stopping by. I'm familiar with your software and I know that it's been around for a long time. I've never used it but I've heard good things about it.

So the body computer you developed was similar to the Thor and Deadlock machines? That's pretty impressive. Could it handle various shuffles or would you have to load a different program (or ROM chip) for each shuffle? I'd love to know more about your program. I've written a few shuffle analysis programs but I'm just a novice so I know my code is pretty ugly.

I looked at your on-line course and it seemed like a good intro for newbies. Now if you can tell me where to find that shuffle...:grin:

-Sonny-

 

[Jack_Black]

how is this spam if it's free? why is there all the negativity towards the poster if you can decide for yourself, FOR FREE! I don't see what the clever scam is if the product is FREE!!

possibly incorrect info is being given, but I say try it first before making allegations.

 

[Sonny]

isn't it against the rules to use a computer in the casino?

As of 1985 in Nevada, yes. Other countries and jurisdictions vary.

-Sonny-

 

[Sucker]

how is this spam if it's free? why is there all the negativity towards the poster if you can decide for yourself, FOR FREE!

Yes - I was thinking the same thing. Then I visited his website & the first thing I noticed, in the upper left-hand corner, was a link to his "store". So he gives you a rudimentary course in ST that won't really work in today's world. Just enough info to convince you that if you buy the "real" package you'll make money.Reminds me of the vitamin supplement hawkers who do the radio infomercials where they offer you "ONE MONTHS SUPPLY ABSOLUTELY FREE!".

I don't see what the clever scam is if the product is FREE!!

I'm NOT saying that it's a scam. His products probably DO work. Without further study,I'll offer no opinion on that; or on whether or not they're overpriced.
All I'm saying is that it's SPAM. That doesn't NECESSARILY mean that it's a scam.

 

[QFIT]

My software has been under U.S. copyright laws for the past 19 years. If somebody’s software looks like mine perhaps the shoe is on the other foot.

Please, I never violate copyright. My software looks NOTHING like ShuffleTrak. Unlike ST2000, it uses a drag-and-drop shuffle definition method. Kinda-like something I just saw on a new site. It also allows practice within CVBJ.

As for the claim that you can learn tracking in 45 minutes, I don't care if you bring a ruler and magic markers into the casino and are allowed to make measurements and marks while the dealer is shuffling, you can't learn to beat casinos at ST in 45 minutes. Or 45 days, unless you are already accomplished at other AP techniques. Copied from my ST chapter:

Casino paranoia over advantage play is well known. Witness the recent silliness over a cell phone with supposed card counting capability. It is difficult to see how this device would cause casinos to lose a dime; and yet we see the pit nervous about cell phones.

Clearly, casinos must do whatever they can to avoid hole-card play. However, paranoia over trackers is self-defeating. Few trackers put in the time needed to shuffle track successfully. Shuffle tracking mistakes are more expensive than card counting mistakes, because you will be betting heavily at the wrong times. The money made by good trackers is balanced out by the money lost by bad trackers. Meanwhile, casinos drag out shuffling twice as long as makes sense costing themselves dearly and boring players to death. I witnessed one casino in the islands that riffled every pair of piles seven times. Seven times. I forgot what game I was playing by the end. 99.9% of players are poor players. Casinos spend an amazing amount of time catering to 0.1% of their customers.

 

[zengrifter]

As for the claim that you can learn tracking in 45 minutes, I don't care if you bring a ruler and magic markers into the casino and are allowed to make measurements and marks while the dealer is shuffling, you can't learn to beat casinos at ST in 45 minutes. Or 45 days

Actually its fast if you can remember the "12 characters" >>

Learn to shuffle Track in less that 45 minutes by remembering a series of 12 characters.​

 

[zengrifter]

Clearly, casinos must do whatever they can to avoid hole-card play. However, paranoia over trackers is self-defeating. Few trackers put in the time needed to shuffle track successfully. Shuffle tracking mistakes are more expensive than card counting mistakes, because you will be betting heavily at the wrong times. The money made by good trackers is balanced out by the money lost by bad trackers. Meanwhile, casinos drag out shuffling twice as long as makes sense costing themselves dearly and boring players to death. I witnessed one casino in the islands that riffled every pair of piles seven times. Seven times. I forgot what game I was playing by the end. 99.9% of players are poor players. Casinos spend an amazing amount of time catering to 0.1% of their customers.

Wasn't there a flap some 10-years ago about Dennis or Mesa Verde pitching/selling the ST2000 to casinos, MGM and Bally's come to mind, as game protection - to analyze house shuffles for vulnerability? Anyone recall that? zg

 

[RJT]

As for the claim that you can learn tracking in 45 minutes, I don't care if you bring a ruler and magic markers into the casino and are allowed to make measurements and marks while the dealer is shuffling, you can't learn to beat casinos at ST in 45 minutes. Or 45 days, unless you are already accomplished at other AP techniques.

Well said Norm.
Mods are you kidding me - you're going to delete my posts calling this guy a fraud when he's going to make claims like that? I don't care how good his software is, it doesn't do what it says on the tin. Hence a lie.

RJT.

 

[QFIT]

I'll go further. Forget a one-pass R&R. If there is no shuffle or plugs at all. If the dealer takes the remaining cards in the shoe, puts them on top of the discards, and then places that stack, unmodified, in the shoe, I maintain a perfect BS player still can't beat the casinos with just 45 minutes of practice.