zengrifter
Banned
Something like a bad 8D. Monk? zg
Attacking 6:5 for fun (and profit?)
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Jack_Black
Well-Known Member
There's a thread on it. Too lazy to find it now, but it was started by anirishmannottoobright, maybe a year ago.
creeping panther
Banned
6.5
I gave in to playing 6.5 sd last night due to a special opportunity,,,1.33 HA but I won some good money on it.
Would I do it again,,maybe ,,if the special opportunity continues but it will never replace a 3.2 game.
CP
I gave in to playing 6.5 sd last night due to a special opportunity,,,1.33 HA but I won some good money on it.
Would I do it again,,maybe ,,if the special opportunity continues but it will never replace a 3.2 game.
CP
billionaireben
Member
6:5 Revisited.
I did this and won most of my sessions (about 90%) at 6:5, but the one session that lost was too big a loss ($570, betting $10 min up to $100). a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage, not much but its something. The rules I came up with were only play heads up, vary your bets widely past the +3 TC point and make unusual plays when it has a positive expectation. Splitting tens against a 6 is one, doubling any soft hand (except BJ, unlss +4 or higher)against a 6 in positive counts, Doubling low soft hands in -4 counts, doubling 12 when the count is neutral and a lot of 9's are left after at least 3 hands.
The good thing is there is less heat and better rules (other than 6:5, which is big) seek out LS and good penetration, but the big rule is play alone on low min tables. Also, a rule of thumb that would have saved me in the game I lost, if you are down 250, then only down 50 in a less than perfect situation (like crowded 6:5, or any 6:5) just leave, your playing wont suffer from a $50 loss, but half your trip BR can f**k up your playing for the whole day.
BTW, I did recover and after going to my last $100 (on DD 3:2) I won back all I had lost, but did not yield a profit for the trip. Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.
I did this and won most of my sessions (about 90%) at 6:5, but the one session that lost was too big a loss ($570, betting $10 min up to $100). a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage, not much but its something. The rules I came up with were only play heads up, vary your bets widely past the +3 TC point and make unusual plays when it has a positive expectation. Splitting tens against a 6 is one, doubling any soft hand (except BJ, unlss +4 or higher)against a 6 in positive counts, Doubling low soft hands in -4 counts, doubling 12 when the count is neutral and a lot of 9's are left after at least 3 hands.
The good thing is there is less heat and better rules (other than 6:5, which is big) seek out LS and good penetration, but the big rule is play alone on low min tables. Also, a rule of thumb that would have saved me in the game I lost, if you are down 250, then only down 50 in a less than perfect situation (like crowded 6:5, or any 6:5) just leave, your playing wont suffer from a $50 loss, but half your trip BR can f**k up your playing for the whole day.
BTW, I did recover and after going to my last $100 (on DD 3:2) I won back all I had lost, but did not yield a profit for the trip. Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.
There was some discussion about 6:5 on Green Chip a few months ago and Don S. said you don't have an advantage at 6:5 SD until TC +5, due to the reduced value of the ace.
i ran a quick 100 million sim using DAS S17, 50% pen and double any two, and it suggests ramping at TC +3 (not sure what the typical rules are though on 6:5 bj). on these rules the win rate is good, but the risk is really high putting the Score at 29.53 for a spread of 2x1 to 2x20. RoR for 200 unit bankroll is 16.8%.
if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure
if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure
I have a local game that is 6:5 SD. Rules are H17, LS, RSA, DA2, DAS. Too bad they didn't make it S17.
revelation0928
Member
I ever been to Hooters several months ago,they have bad SD rule and bad dealers and croweded.
Hotters is one of the worst casinos I ever met
.blackjacktilt
Well-Known Member
Let me explain this further.
STAY AWAY FROM 6:5, THE MORE WHO PLAY IT, THE MORE IT STAYS AND RUINS THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME :whip:
Ok beautiful might not be the right word... But you get my point.
Gamblor
Well-Known Member
Beautiful game???? I just posted about losing my 22 v 6 three splits and three double bets that I lost at a moderate bet :cry: :laugh:
blackjacktilt
Well-Known Member
Sarcasm my friend :laugh: I hate blackjack:whip:
Why don't you attack european roulette and pai gow while you're at it. Show some balls and be a real man.
You are talking about HCing, right; you weren't actually counting at it?? We're all mature adults here, you can say HCing - or has this board grown so secretive you can't even say the H word anymore?
b jay cobbson
Active Member
What does Don know? You would think he wrote a book or something. He should stick to spelling and grammar and leave blackjack to guys like Jerry Patterson.
Cobbson
I prefer Scoblete's expert advice :grin:
Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW
New Member
value of TC in 6:5
what saith don is the value of each hi-lo tc point in this game, knoweth ye?
sent with apologies.
what saith don is the value of each hi-lo tc point in this game, knoweth ye?
sent with apologies.
Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW
New Member
please don't make me pay stanford
you guys. i hate paying stanford.
you guys. i hate paying stanford.
Might as go to ace neutral count or Zen (ace half the value) at 6:5 if you are going to beat your head against the wall. The ace has little extra value for betting and really messes up your PE for playing.
Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW
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stuck with hilo
Thanks, tthree -- it's good advice. The little shuffle that makes the 6:5 in question worth a go is sort of a pressing matter requiring immediate attention, and the casino is scary and immiserated, unlikely to give up enough queso to warrant this very old dog learning anything at all. But I would like to be able to know whether I got edge or not in all those true 5s and 6s and 7s I'm going deftly to craft in the joint. And hi-lo is all I got!
Thanks, tthree -- it's good advice. The little shuffle that makes the 6:5 in question worth a go is sort of a pressing matter requiring immediate attention, and the casino is scary and immiserated, unlikely to give up enough queso to warrant this very old dog learning anything at all. But I would like to be able to know whether I got edge or not in all those true 5s and 6s and 7s I'm going deftly to craft in the joint. And hi-lo is all I got!