Can I form a team?

[adlai]

Hello everybody. This is my first post as I'm new to the forum. I'm graduating from college next month and I'm looking to get in touch with some people who might be interested in working with me. I'm not exactly talking about a blackjack team... I mean something a little more general. This isn't necessarily an ad for people to contact me; I'm very open to any advice that anyone has for forming a team.

My story is basically that I have a number of ideas that I've been working on for the last couple of years. They range from optimizing new systems of card counting to the design of hidden wearable computers. A few of my more prized ideas are completely unlike anything I have ever seen or read about and I'm hoping that they'll be able to catch casinos off guard. I also have several schemes that have a similar spirit but are unrelated to casinos.

I have remote access to significant computing resources (a sizable Beowulf cluster) and am an experienced computer programmer. I'm very knowledgeable of probability and statistical analysis as well. I have been formally trained in both physics and computer science.

I'm not interested in working casinos on a whim or because I just saw 21; I've been planning on it for years and I'm now ready to make the commitment. I'm also not in this because I think that I'm going to get rich fast. I get some sort of strange satisfaction from finding and exploiting vulnerabilities in systems that attempt to be airtight. I'm hoping that anybody I work with will share this idiosyncrasy.

I need people who can complement my own skill set and increase our chances of success. I recognize that actual experience is crucial and I would like to work with at least one person who has an intimate familiarity with casinos. I would prefer for the team to live together, develop ideas, and train for a number of months before we actually attempt anything. That means that the members of the team would need to be unrooted and extremely dedicated. I'm guessing that other graduating seniors might be good candidates.

So what do you think? Is it unrealistic to form a team like this without having prior relationships to the other members? I'm really interested to hear any advice from people who have worked on teams before.

Thank you,
Adlai

 

[Nuh-vad-uh]

Basically you are solicting people for your team who are not afraid to be felons? Good luck with that one.

 

[adlai]

I didn't mean to imply that anything would necessarily be illegal. I'm sorry if you feel like this post is inappropriate for you forum, I thought that because card counting is a significant part of what I want to do that it would be relevant.

 

[Sonny]

My story is basically that I have a number of ideas that I've been working on for the last couple of years. They range from optimizing new systems of card counting to the design of hidden wearable computers.

Both pursuits are a waste of time. Computers are illegal in most countries and card counting systems have been fully optimized (yet the simple systems are still often the most powerful). With your qualifications you should be looking into roulette anyway. For card games you should be reading Grosjean.

Is it unrealistic to form a team like this without having prior relationships to the other members?

Not unrealistic, just dangerous. Your post almost sounds like it is meant to attract cheaters, thieves, and grifters. Unless you choose your partners very carefully you’re going to get burned.

-Sonny-

 

[zengrifter]

Not unrealistic, just dangerous. Your post almost sounds like it is meant to attract cheaters, thieves, and grifters.

Count me in! zg

 

[jack.jackson]

non-blackjack related

I have been formally trained in both physics and computer science.

I have a physics question?

Is it true, that if you dug a hole to China, and then jumped in it, that you would litterally be a human sling-shot for infinity?

 

[E-town-guy]

Ya I agree with Sonny, there isn't much you can do with computers in the game of BJ that a good counter can't do with his head. Roulette though can offer some advantages to a knowledgeable person or team with a computer.

Where abouts do you live? You don't have to give the street address but if you're looking for people to work with you closely you might give them an idea of where that would be.

 

[adlai]

It's funny how you both mentioned roulette because that was actually the initial thought that got me interested in casinos. I was in one a few years ago and I noticed that you can place bets after the ball is already spinning. I did some research and found that the idea had been had before (by a group of physicists no less). I later serendipitously ended up doing research at the same institution as one of these physicists and talked to him about it. For any of you who know specifically who I'm talking about, these people sort of serve as my role model. They were a group of friends working together to accomplish something simply because it was incredible and adventurous.

I'm located in the north east, but I imagine that I'll be moving to Nevada or California in the summer.

Even if you're being sarcastic that's a mildly interesting question about the earth. You could orient the hole so that it lies parallel to the x-axis in which case the motion will be one dimensional. Then let the origin lie at the center of the earth. Since it's a spherically symmetrical mass and we're dealing with an inverse squared law the gravitational term reduces to something trivial. The drag terms could be a bit more complicated (especially since the density of the air will vary with position). If we call the drag force b(v,x) then the equation of motion is just: ma=-b(v,x)-Ggmx/(r^3) (because x will never exceed r) where m is your mass, g is the mass of the earth, r is the radius of the earth, and G is the universal constant of gravitation. This is just a one dimensional harmonic oscillator for b of the form c*dx/dt and the solution would just be a complex exponential in this case (to solve the actually equations of motion you would probably start here and use perturbation theory). So basically yes you'll "sling shot" but the drag will cause the height of your oscillations to die out exponentially.

 

[rukus]

Even if you're being sarcastic that's a mildly interesting question about the earth. You could orient the hole so that it lies parallel to the x-axis in which case the motion will be one dimensional. Then let the origin lie at the center of the earth. Since it's a spherically symmetrical mass and we're dealing with an inverse squared law the gravitational term reduces to something trivial. The drag terms could be a bit more complicated (especially since the density of the air will vary with position). If we call the drag force b(v,x) then the equation of motion is just: ma=-b(v,x)-Ggmx/(r^3) (because x will never exceed r) where m is your mass, g is the mass of the earth, r is the radius of the earth, and G is the universal constant of gravitation. This is just a one dimensional harmonic oscillator for b of the form c*dx/dt and the solution would just be a complex exponential in this case (to solve the actually equations of motion you would probably start here and use perturbation theory). So basically yes you'll "sling shot" but the drag will cause the height of your oscillations to die out exponentially.

ah, the good old days!!

 

[Nuh-vad-uh]

I was always under the impression that you wouldn't make it out of the center of the Earth where you would be weightless?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

It's funny how you both mentioned roulette because that was actually the initial thought that got me interested in casinos. I was in one a few years ago and I noticed that you can place bets after the ball is already spinning. I did some research and found that the idea had been had before (by a group of physicists no less). I later serendipitously ended up doing research at the same institution as one of these physicists and talked to him about it. For any of you who know specifically who I'm talking about, these people sort of serve as my role model. They were a group of friends working together to accomplish something simply because it was incredible and adventurous.

I'm located in the north east, but I imagine that I'll be moving to Nevada or California in the summer.

Even if you're being sarcastic that's a mildly interesting question about the earth. You could orient the hole so that it lies parallel to the x-axis in which case the motion will be one dimensional. Then let the origin lie at the center of the earth. Since it's a spherically symmetrical mass and we're dealing with an inverse squared law the gravitational term reduces to something trivial. The drag terms could be a bit more complicated (especially since the density of the air will vary with position). If we call the drag force b(v,x) then the equation of motion is just: ma=-b(v,x)-Ggmx/(r^3) (because x will never exceed r) where m is your mass, g is the mass of the earth, r is the radius of the earth, and G is the universal constant of gravitation. This is just a one dimensional harmonic oscillator for b of the form c*dx/dt and the solution would just be a complex exponential in this case (to solve the actually equations of motion you would probably start here and use perturbation theory). So basically yes you'll "sling shot" but the drag will cause the height of your oscillations to die out exponentially.

Don't forget that the hole would have to be suficiently wide to prevent contact with it as the earth is spinning and your momentum perpendicular to the axis will be conserved, and earth is not a perfect spheroid. You'll need to carry a little piece of iron with you to balance the effect of the ferromagnetic and diamagnetic forces imparted by earth's magnetic field.

It might work better if you dug the tunnel through the poles.

 

[sagefr0g]

Don't forget that the hole would have to be suficiently wide to prevent contact with it as the earth is spinning and your momentum perpendicular to the axis will be conserved, and earth is not a perfect spheroid. You'll need to carry a little piece of iron with you to balance the effect of the ferromagnetic and diamagnetic forces imparted by earth's magnetic field.

It might work better if you dug the tunnel through the poles.

lol might get a bit hot in the vicinity of the molten core. and then there is the minor problem of entropy if you want to keep the ride going.

 

[callipygian]

Another problem is that, unless you live in South America, digging a hole to China won't actually go through the center of the Earth.

 

[pogostick]

Dam! I'm impressed :confused

 

[Mr. Fenner]

I have a physics question?

Is it true, that if you dug a hole to China, and then jumped in it, that you would litterally be a human sling-shot for infinity?

I have also puzzled over this question...

 

[la_dee_daa]

I have a physics question?

Is it true, that if you dug a hole to China, and then jumped in it, that you would litterally be a human sling-shot for infinity?

well there would be some air resistance. so you would eventaully stop in the centre

you would die quickly from the pressure also.

i suggest we dont try this.

 

[zengrifter]

well there would be some air resistance. so you would eventaully stop in the centre

you would die quickly from the pressure also.

i suggest we dont try this.

Actually you'd be busrned to a crisp because the earth is hollow, with a buring inner earth sun in the center. zg

Hollow Earth Theory Revisited
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[la_dee_daa]

Actually you'd be busrned to a crisp because the earth is hollow, with a buring inner earth sun in the center. zg

Hollow Earth Theory Revisited
​

i assume we are wearing a suit that protect against extreme temperatures.

 

[InPlay]

Hello everybody. This is my first post as I'm new to the forum. I'm graduating from college next month and I'm looking to get in touch with some people who might be interested in working with me. I'm not exactly talking about a blackjack team... I mean something a little more general. This isn't necessarily an ad for people to contact me; I'm very open to any advice that anyone has for forming a team.

My story is basically that I have a number of ideas that I've been working on for the last couple of years. They range from optimizing new systems of card counting to the design of hidden wearable computers. A few of my more prized ideas are completely unlike anything I have ever seen or read about and I'm hoping that they'll be able to catch casinos off guard. I also have several schemes that have a similar spirit but are unrelated to casinos.

I have remote access to significant computing resources (a sizable Beowulf cluster) and am an experienced computer programmer. I'm very knowledgeable of probability and statistical analysis as well. I have been formally trained in both physics and computer science.

I'm not interested in working casinos on a whim or because I just saw 21; I've been planning on it for years and I'm now ready to make the commitment. I'm also not in this because I think that I'm going to get rich fast. I get some sort of strange satisfaction from finding and exploiting vulnerabilities in systems that attempt to be airtight. I'm hoping that anybody I work with will share this idiosyncrasy.

I need people who can complement my own skill set and increase our chances of success. I recognize that actual experience is crucial and I would like to work with at least one person who has an intimate familiarity with casinos. I would prefer for the team to live together, develop ideas, and train for a number of months before we actually attempt anything. That means that the members of the team would need to be unrooted and extremely dedicated. I'm guessing that other graduating seniors might be good candidates.

So what do you think? Is it unrealistic to form a team like this without having prior relationships to the other members? I'm really interested to hear any advice from people who have worked on teams before.

Thank you,
Adlai

Count me ! I don't have any money as long as you are supplying the bankroll its fine with me. I have various street skills. I have been on the hustle all my life so I now what it takes to make a buck.

 

[jack.jackson]

well there would be some air resistance. so you would eventaully stop in the centre

you would die quickly from the pressure also.

i suggest we dont try this.

I have also puzzled over this question...

OF course I was just using a human as an example, it could be any object for that matter. Imagine for a second, you built a heat-resistant tube from one side of the Earth to the Other, So friction would'nt be an Issue. And then you dropped a 100lb IRON ball down the tube. I would think, that it would travel back and forth forever. But who knows...lol, I really dont.