card counting live games online

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andrew999

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some online casinos such as bet365 have live blackjack games where a real person deals out of a shoe and stuff via some sort of webcam. is it possible to card count on this?
 
andrew999 said:
some online casinos such as bet365 have live blackjack games where a real person deals out of a shoe and stuff via some sort of webcam. is it possible to card count on this?
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Yes it is possible. However you should count how many hands per hour you are getting. I bet it will be somewhere around 12 hands per hour. And I am not joking. Let me know if you find any fast dealers though.
 
supercoolmancool said:
Yes it is possible. However you should count how many hands per hour you are getting. I bet it will be somewhere around 12 hands per hour. And I am not joking. Let me know if you find any fast dealers though.
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I don't know what the penetration is but it is INCREDIBLY SLOW. Definitely NOT worthwhile. But it would be more fun to play with a slow live dealer than playing for real money online as a recreational player that isnt bonus hunting.
 
supercoolmancool said:
Yes it is possible. However you should count how many hands per hour you are getting. I bet it will be somewhere around 12 hands per hour. And I am not joking. Let me know if you find any fast dealers though.
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What is the Pen on these type of games?
 
dacium said:
The ones I've seen were all 50% to 75%
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Then they may be beatable depending on the table limits. I wouldn't expect to be able to have a good enough EV to make it worthwhile considering the speed of play.
 
Don't forget - there's no rule against using a computer to play BJ online! After all, that would defeat the purpose. :D That means that you could use a Kasey or Thor type computer (or both!) to give you much more accurate playing and betting information. That would make the game easily beatable, especially with a weak shuffle.

Unfortunately, there's no way to get around the slow play. That will drag your EV waaaaay down but might give you more time to enter data into your computer. Ever wonder why the other players are playing so slowly? ;)

-Sonny-
 
Sonny said:
Don't forget - there's no rule against using a computer to play BJ online! After all, that would defeat the purpose. :D That means that you could use a Kasey or Thor type computer (or both!) to give you much more accurate playing and betting information. That would make the game easily beatable, especially with a weak shuffle.

Unfortunately, there's no way to get around the slow play. That will drag your EV waaaaay down but might give you more time to enter data into your computer. Ever wonder why the other players are playing so slowly? ;)

-Sonny-
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It's just slow because all the tables are full and it takes a while to load the dealt card to your computer screen.
 
Sonny said:
Don't forget - there's no rule against using a computer to play BJ online! After all, that would defeat the purpose. :D That means that you could use a Kasey or Thor type computer (or both!) to give you much more accurate playing and betting information. That would make the game easily beatable, especially with a weak shuffle.

Unfortunately, there's no way to get around the slow play. That will drag your EV waaaaay down but might give you more time to enter data into your computer. Ever wonder why the other players are playing so slowly? ;)

-Sonny-
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What is Kasey or Thor computer? I never heard of them. I tried looking up on google, but came up with nothing.
 
Kasey is a computer that plays blackjack perfectly. You type in the cards that have been dealt and it tells you how to play and how much to bet. It is a bit more accurate than card counting.

Thor was a shuffle tracking computer. You type in the cards as they are dealt and the computer "shuffles" them so that you know where each card ends up after the dealer shuffles. Imagine knowing what the next card was going to be every time!

Both computers (and much more) were built by the legendary Kieth Taft. Read the interview below for the full story:

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/taftint.html

-Sonny-
 
Sonny said:
Thor was a shuffle tracking computer. You type in the cards as they are dealt and the computer "shuffles" them so that you know where each card ends up after the dealer shuffles. Imagine knowing what the next card was going to be every time!

-Sonny-
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I don't undertstand how this works. The next shuffle will at least be slightly different.
 
I dont think it knows it perfectly. If you do a hand shuffle its likely that groups of 2-5 cards remain in order. It probably uses this to try and predict what card is possible.
 
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