Chat Guest: Anthony Curtis, July 29th 2010, 9 PM Eastern

[shadroch]

We need a BJINFO volunteer - someone who is a LVA member and/or Ken or another mod (King Stork?) - please reach out to AC and request that this issue be addressed "somehow".

Shad - lets serve the greater good by acknowledging that it isn't just all about YOU - rather all affected parties that you have referred to in subject incident (even if you don't know them). Lets call it the "Matchplay Coupon Criticism Incident". zg

It certainly isn't about the money. I learned a great bit from the LVA boards, and many members here benefited from things I learned there and passed along. As just one example- I passed on some info on a promo at one casino in Vegas and Sonny let me know he hit it pretty well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I passed along some information that proved to be mistaken and ended up having Ken send Jean Scott on a wild goose chase.
There was a much better sense of comradery over there- it was a rare visit to Vegas that I didn't meet up with a few members for a cocktail or five.
Heck, we did an LVA forum tour of the Neon Graveyard, and even rented a 30 passenger party van for a night of club-hopping on the strip not all that long ago.

 

[creeping panther]

Shad

It certainly isn't about the money. I learned a great bit from the LVA boards, and many members here benefited from things I learned there and passed along. As just one example- I passed on some info on a promo at one casino in Vegas and Sonny let me know he hit it pretty well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I passed along some information that proved to be mistaken and ended up having Ken send Jean Scott on a wild goose chase.
There was a much better sense of comradery over there- it was a rare visit to Vegas that I didn't meet up with a few members for a cocktail or five.
Heck, we did an LVA forum tour of the Neon Graveyard, and even rented a 30 passenger party van for a night of club-hopping on the strip not all that long ago.

Now that is a much better post from you concerning Mr. Curtis than any of your previous rants.

Civility is always welcomed and I am sure Mr. Curtis welcomes your new tone.

I also welcome your new tone and attitude, congrats.

CP

 

[zengrifter]

Now that is a much better post from you concerning Mr. Curtis than any of your previous rants.

Civility is always welcomed and I am sure Mr. Curtis welcomes your new tone.

I also welcome your new tone and attitude, congrats.

CP

I like him better the other way. zg

 

[shadroch]

now that is a much better post from you concerning mr. Curtis than any of your previous rants.

Civility is always welcomed and i am sure mr. Curtis welcomes your new tone.

I also welcome your new tone and attitude, congrats.

cp[/quote


bohica!

 

[aslan]

now that is a much better post from you concerning mr. Curtis than any of your previous rants.

Civility is always welcomed and i am sure mr. Curtis welcomes your new tone.

I also welcome your new tone and attitude, congrats.

cp[/quote


bohica!

Now that's more like it! :laugh:

 

[aslan]

I'm glad I attended. AC was down to earth and answered every question.:joker:

There were pros and cons to the session. As I recall (and I don't recall that well anymore), AC has little to contribute to the current scene of blackjack play IMO, being out of it for so many years, but I did get something out of his opinion of current trends, and also his discussion of LV deals which prompted me to join LV Advisor, which I suppose was his main reason to "appear" on blackjackinfo (I could be wrong about that, and if so, sorry). Time will tell if joining was a worthwhile move on my part. PS--when I joined, they asked if I wanted to pick up the coupon book, which I said yes to. I figured they would message me where to pick it up, which they didn't. Does anyone know where to pick up the coupon book for LVA?

 

[KenSmith]

Does anyone know where to pick up the coupon book for LVA?

You'll pick it up at the Huntington Press offices at 3665 Procyon St, Las Vegas, NV 89103.

It's a few blocks behind the Rio.

 

[aslan]

KJ,

You are mistaken. I always "accept" his findings, even in your case, because of the caveats he placed in the findings, based on the info only you provided, unsubstantiated all...... which you choose to overlook.

Do not overlook my work in sponsoring the "BJ BASH" which I believe, and many may agree, is the single best thing that has happened on this site for forming lasting bonds of friendship, comraderie, networking, and true real time learning of advantage play of all types. An event you have been invited to participate in but always choose to not attend,,,,hmmm.

CP

I hope the Bash, which I consider a positive thing, does not result in cliches, separating those who do attend from those who cannot or do not attend. I have never been able to attend a Bash, it being quite a ways to travel and not fitting into my schedule, but even if it were close by, I still have my misgivings about meeting APs en masse that were formerly only known through the BJInfo Forums.

I have met a few persons from blackjackinfo on an individual basis, and they have without exception been good experiences, but I still have a certain reticence before each and every meeting of a member for the first time. Call me paranoid or overly careful, I don't know. I am not much of a "joiner" in any aspect of my life.

I do appreciate CP's work in arranging the Bash, and hope you do not take my nonattendance as any disagreement with the concept. But for me the Forums and Chats, and the occasional meeting of certain individuals from bjinfo, are quite enough to satisfy my needs in terms of AP.

I think of the Bash as one of the many tools available to members to augment the valuable information learned at BJInfo. You don't have to own CVdata, or read the Interviews, or contribute to the Message Boards, or read the blackjack school materials, to be a member in good standing of BJInfo, but any of these things may be beneficial to you.

It would be a shame if the Bash, which is intended to be a good and useful and enjoyable function for members, actually became a divisive event.

 

[shadroch]

Why would it be a devisive event? The people that want to go go, and the people with more sense stay home. Whats devisive about that?

 

[creeping panther]

Aslan-Bash

I hope the Bash, which I consider a positive thing, does not result in cliches, separating those who do attend from those who cannot or do not attend. I have never been able to attend a Bash, it being quite a ways to travel and not fitting into my schedule, but even if it were close by, I still have my misgivings about meeting APs en masse that were formerly only known through the BJInfo Forums.

I have met a few persons from blackjackinfo on an individual basis, and they have without exception been good experiences, but I still have a certain reticence before each and every meeting of a member for the first time. Call me paranoid or overly careful, I don't know. I am not much of a "joiner" in any aspect of my life.

I do appreciate CP's work in arranging the Bash, and hope you do not take my nonattendance as any disagreement with the concept. But for me the Forums and Chats, and the occasional meeting of certain individuals from bjinfo, are quite enough to satisfy my needs in terms of AP.

I think of the Bash as one of the many tools available to members to augment the valuable information learned at BJInfo. You don't have to own CVdata, or read the Interviews, or contribute to the Message Boards, or read the blackjack school materials, to be a member in good standing of BJInfo, but any of these things may be beneficial to you.

It would be a shame if the Bash, which is intended to be a good and useful and enjoyable function for members, actually became a divisive event.

The great thing about the BASH is you actually meet those you are talking to on the site and they are no longer a virtual person but a real being, that is cool.

To the person,,, all Bashers have been very skilled and fine people and very serious about the game. They have been the "Real Deals". They have actually come from all over the globe to attend. I would venture to say that those who attend come away a better player with a whole new cadre of friends among fellow AP's. The networking has proven to be most valuable and the trust between Bashers is truly heart warming

Now what of those who do not attend,,,,well they remain virtual people and they can be anyone under the sun, real, phony, poser, pro, but you will never really know, ( so yes I am suspicious of the virtuals, and I think many are flat out phony) except for that special group of Bashers who put it all on the line, have nothing to hide, and step out in faith to reveal their true selves, now that is real bad ass in my opinion, and every one of them has my greatest respect and admiration.:1st:

CP

 

[shadroch]

Damn. Guess I won't get to sit at the kool kids table.

 

[Machinist]

??????????

Why would it be a devisive event? The people that want to go go, and the people with more sense stay home. Whats devisive about that?

SHAD,SHAD,SHAD....MY FRIEND!!!! The people with more sense??? Come now...
You really mean that?
Hmmmm.... you know shad i have had zero.... and when i mean zero...i mean absolute zero contact with the BlackJack World!!!!!! Until i joined this site!!!
My AP world has become HUGE!!!! From the people on this site... to the APs that made the trip to the BASH...
I think there is the possibility that the the word BASH is being misconstrued here. The bash is not a party!!!!! Repeat and hear me..... NOT A PARTY!!!! It is a way of bringing like minded people together to learn about other APs experiences. Friendships are made.
For my part i wish i could have helped a few more of the attendees. I have helped a few. Time is short at a Bash... The first bash i worked with a few .....this last bash i got to help a couple that missed me last time. Also we had a nice lesson from a few youngsters on shuffletracking.... Everyone appreciated their time... They went out of their way to explain to the group the ins and outs of it. Also a day later they helped a couple of the guys that missed their demo. They did not have to do that ... They did!!! That's what impresses me.... Doing that little bit extra. 'They could have blew the guys off. They didn't.
There is no cliche!!!! or what ever its called. It was a vacation for alot of the attendees. So many ages, so many diff personalites, coming together to watch and see counters doing their thing. Lots of critiquing each others game... Discussing tactics...Also ...hey i think a few have more that BJ in common. Also i believe we all had alot of damn fun!!!!!
Shad its about building friendships....
I have learned a tremendous , tremendous, amount of information. I am not a complete AP yet.... but i sure am getting closer.. The casino has become much larger.
The Bash is invite only... but most aren't turned down, all are welcome. Yes somebody has to vouch for you if you are new to the site and not well known through your posts, chat, or by a bash attendee.
Shad don't be afraid ,,, join us at the next bash. I know some dont want their face known. Hell i dont remember what half the guys looked like at the last bash. :laugh:
Fall is a wonderful time of the year for a Bash...
I dont know Shad .. i am just a little upset with your comment.

Machinist

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[kewljason]

Well here we go. Another thread that has deteriorated into nonsense and sniping attacks that does isn't really benificial to anyone. So I might as well add to it. :laugh:

CP actually just confirmed Aslan's concern about the divisiveness of the bash with his admission that he views people who attend differently than those that don't, but I haven't encountered others sharing his bias so far.

Shad's comment about not sitting with the kool kids seems a little inappropriate and silly. (BTW, it's spelled kewl )

I personally think the bash is probably a good thing and can be advantagous to those that choose to attend. CP should feel good about his sponsorship of it. I personally have been invited twice, which I appreciate, but have not yet attended. I have both professional and personal reasons for not doing so. On a professional note I spend 50ish hours per week in casinos and play upwards of 2000 hands of blackjack per week. The last thing I want to do is spend several days of my precious free time flying across country to play blackjack socially. I am not all that interested in the lasting bonds of friendship nor comraderie. I do see value in the networking aspect, but again, not at the expense of both time and money involved. As machinist mentioned, I also have concerns about playing with a group of AP's. As a solo player I have gone to great lengths to develope a style that protects my longevity. I don't see playing with a group of AP's as benificial. I also have personal reasons for not attending, which I have no need to air publicly.

I did attend a gathering of members from another site last year which was held locally in Las Vegas in which we shared stories, info, yet did not play together. I was much more comfortable with that.

So I say, if people want to attend, then attend. Have a great time, benifit all you can, and be sure to post about the experience. I enjoy reading about it. If people don't want to go, then don't go. It by no means defines who you are to me. I may not be brillant, but I am smart enough to figure out who is legit and who isn't without actually meeting them.

 

[sagefr0g]

Why would it be a devisive event? The people that want to go go, and the people with more sense stay home. Whats devisive about that?

........does this image make sense? the column in red was nov09 bash, the stuff after, well can anyone make sense of that?
if the bash wasn't sensible from a perspective of learning AP stuff, then i'm at a loss to explain the upward trend depicted.
tripled my roll, and oh yeah, made a lot of new friends, had a load of fun.
doesn't make sense?

 

[Machinist]

........does this image make sense? the column in red was nov09 bash, the stuff after, well can anyone make sense of that?
if the bash wasn't sensible from a perspective of learning AP stuff, then i'm at a loss to explain the upward trend depicted.
tripled my roll, and oh yeah, made a lot of new friends, had a load of fun.
doesn't make sense?

Yikes your gonna need a bigger chart.:whip::whip:


Machinist

 

[Machinist]

Well here we go. Another thread that has deteriorated into nonsense and sniping attacks that does isn't really benificial to anyone. So I might as well add to it. :laugh:

CP actually just confirmed Aslan's concern about the divisiveness of the bash with his admission that he views people who attend differently than those that don't, but I haven't encountered others sharing his bias so far.

Shad's comment about not sitting with the kool kids seems a little inappropriate and silly. (BTW, it's spelled kewl )

I personally think the bash is probably a good thing and can be advantagous to those that choose to attend. CP should feel good about his sponsorship of it. I personally have been invited twice, which I appreciate, but have not yet attended. I have both professional and personal reasons for not doing so. On a professional note I spend 50ish hours per week in casinos and play upwards of 2000 hands of blackjack per week. The last thing I want to do is spend several days of my precious free time flying across country to play blackjack socially. I am not all that interested in the lasting bonds of friendship nor comraderie. I do see value in the networking aspect, but again, not at the expense of both time and money involved. As machinist mentioned, I also have concerns about playing with a group of AP's. As a solo player I have gone to great lengths to develope a style that protects my longevity. I don't see playing with a group of AP's as benificial. I also have personal reasons for not attending, which I have no need to air publicly.

I did attend a gathering of members from another site last year which was held locally in Las Vegas in which we shared stories, info, yet did not play together. I was much more comfortable with that.

So I say, if people want to attend, then attend. Have a great time, benifit all you can, and be sure to post about the experience. I enjoy reading about it. If people don't want to go, then don't go. It by no means defines who you are to me. I may not be brillant, but I am smart enough to figure out who is legit and who isn't without actually meeting them.

So if you knew of a person or persons that could change your life ....financially, you wouldnt take the chance of meeting them?
With the time you spend in a casino which by my standards isn't very much, but non the less , if you could increase your hourly wage by 25 to 100 percent.. you still wouldn't attend a function that could possibly do that?
That is exactly what i did ... when i begged and borrowed my way to my first bash. I took a chance that maybe there was some different better stuff out there. I opened my mind and thought hey maybe there is something to this counting.
Hey you took a chance to become a Cardcounter... and a seemingly decent one. Ask yourself..... is this as good as it gets????

Heck just some thoughts of mine... Kewl

Machinist

 

[zengrifter]

Time will tell if joining was a worthwhile move on my part. PS--when I joined, they asked if I wanted to pick up the coupon book, which I said yes to. I figured they would message me where to pick it up, which they didn't. Does anyone know where to pick up the coupon book for LVA?

At LVA HQ and STORE. And you might just get to meet Mr. Curtis because he is often there and very personable.

Keep BJINO posted on the value that you obtain overall. zg

 

[kewljason]

So if you knew of a person or persons that could change your life ....financially, you wouldnt take the chance of meeting them?
With the time you spend in a casino which by my standards isn't very much, but non the less , if you could increase your hourly wage by 25 to 100 percent.. you still wouldn't attend a function that could possibly do that?
That is exactly what i did ... when i begged and borrowed my way to my first bash. I took a chance that maybe there was some different better stuff out there. I opened my mind and thought hey maybe there is something to this counting.
Hey you took a chance to become a Cardcounter... and a seemingly decent one. Ask yourself..... is this as good as it gets????

Heck just some thoughts of mine... Kewl

Machinist

I appreciate that thought, Machinist. It is something to consider.

Also wanted to comment on sagefrog's chart. Looks like you were hung over from that '09 bash as your results took an immediate dip before you really got going. :laugh: just kidding. Nice job!

 

[Tico]

So if you knew of a person or persons that could change your life ....financially, you wouldnt take the chance of meeting them?
With the time you spend in a casino which by my standards isn't very much, but non the less , if you could increase your hourly wage by 25 to 100 percent.. you still wouldn't attend a function that could possibly do that?
That is exactly what i did ... when i begged and borrowed my way to my first bash. I took a chance that maybe there was some different better stuff out there. I opened my mind and thought hey maybe there is something to this counting.
Hey you took a chance to become a Cardcounter... and a seemingly decent one. Ask yourself..... is this as good as it gets????

Heck just some thoughts of mine...

Machinist

........does this image make sense? the column in red was nov09 bash, the stuff after, well can anyone make sense of that?
if the bash wasn't sensible from a perspective of learning AP stuff, then i'm at a loss to explain the upward trend depicted.
tripled my roll, and oh yeah, made a lot of new friends, had a load of fun.
doesn't make sense?

Speaking of charts, Hmmm.... Numbers and Charts don't lie. Hey Guys, you should invite this AP/stock forecaster, [#######] , to your Bash so that you all can add extra EVs to your pockets.

As an example in his chart, an investor should buy if the up-trend is strong. On the other hand, dump the stock, if the trend drops... thus cut your losses.

 

[shadroch]

At LVA HQ and STORE. And you might just get to meet Mr. Curtis because he is often there and very personable.

Keep BJINO posted on the value that you obtain overall. zg

The LVA "store" consist of a room with two book racks and the Pladian Press receptionist.
In my dozen trips to the "store" to pick up POVs and or a book or two, the only person I ever encountered is the receptionist who doubles as the cashier. While I don't doubt Ac is often on the premises, the chances of him being in the reception area are close to nil.
They usually have a few great bargins on books- some have slight blemishs and some they are just blowing out.
You pretty much need a car to get there, unless you walk from the Rio.