Flashing Aces
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aslan
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What else could you do but stand? I don't know the odds on a dealer making a hand on a soft 12, but I'd think it is still a stand hand. I'm sure it is when the count is positive.
Brock Windsor
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H17 it is a stand. S17 it is a hit.
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zengrifter
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HIT to 17. zg
zengrifter
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I'll need to look it up in BEYOND COUNTING! zg
zengrifter
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You never learned the HC strategy. zg
Jack_Black
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This is a very close decision. The answer is as such: If the dealer stands on soft 17 you hit 15 and stand on 16. If the dealer HITS soft 17, stand on 15.
If the count is slightly negative, hit 15, stand on 16 whether or not the dealer hits S17. If the count is slightly positive, stand on 15 always.
But like I said, the decision is so close, that even if you make the wrong play here you're only giving up something like 1% either way.
If the count is slightly negative, hit 15, stand on 16 whether or not the dealer hits S17. If the count is slightly positive, stand on 15 always.
But like I said, the decision is so close, that even if you make the wrong play here you're only giving up something like 1% either way.
Jack_Black
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how so? you just had to keep reading to find the right answer. I had no idea what kind of rules you were referring to.
I see qfit said, "Dealer A6 through A9 are the same as 17-20." so I suppose that he also meant a dealer's soft 12 would be the same strategy as a dealer's hard 12?
nope
wizardofodds.com has a hole card strategy.
It's not perfect but it's close enough. If you got a good hole card game then you don't need to worry about squeezing the extra .1 - .2% edge from making perfect plays on close plays, unlike counting where your edge is so small you cant afford to give up much of it
aslan
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I have read the tables, but never memorized them. I think Brock got it right, hit for S17 and stand for H17. But I'm thinking you would stand in both cases if the count were =>+4. (Two tens will bust the dealer and one ten will bust you.)
zengrifter
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Even just +1.. but counting while HC'ng doesn't add enough to make it worthwhile. zg
aslan
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Makes sense to me.
zengrifter
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Counting at HC'ing is like counting at tourney play.
I don't think any of the pros do it. Its not worth the effort. zg
Hit, because the gain is slight from standing, and you shouldn't deviate from basic with the ace up. Also, keep playing with that dealer
Will do! I have been keeping track of all kinds of dealer errors where I play (and the dealers who make the errors). Here are some of them:
1. A dealer accidentally allowed doubling on a nDAS game for a while. Then, when the player lost both doubles, the dealer just took the original bet. If the player would have won, the dealer would have paid out on the entire doubled bet.
2. A dealer let me double on any number of cards in regular blackjack. The table was all trying to give me advice, and the dealer suggested I double my A,3,4 vs. 6, and I said "Yes!" immediately.
My eyes are certainly more open these days to things like that.
This happens to be EXCELLENT advice. It's not only not worth the effort, it has a huge potential to be counter-productive. While you're concentrating your efforts on trying to count the cards on the table, you just MIGHT miss something WAY more important. ONE exposed card at the right time can oftentimes result in more EV than a whole DAYS worth of counting.