Have people had "bad luck" in their first few outings

flyingwind

Well-Known Member
#43
David Lane said:
I wouldn't call it bad luck but for me when I first started I lost most times I played. I started at the $5 level so the losses were not discouraging money wise but it shook me up in my head.
I learned as time went on that for me there was a period necessary at the tables to learn HOW to win. Even when the count is mastered I believe experience is necessary to learn really how to win.
There are numerous factors, in my opinion, to master winning but becoming comfortable in playing was a big one for me. Learning to make the max bet when it was time to make the max bet was another habit I had to develop. It became hard to make the max bets when I had lost a lot of them which does happen.
For me, experience taught me most of all the necessity of persistence and patience. It wasn't until I made it through a losing streak and experienced a number of winning streaks that my confidence began to develop. After a while when I had experienced the variance and still saw things work out the way they were supposed to did I become a believer.
From that point on everything became automatic.
I had a similar experience when I started counting. It took many tries and going back to re-read relevant chapters in the books and help from some on this forum before I finally had some success.

It is not only important to know how to count in theory, but it takes experience to know how to do it in the real casino environment in real practice.
 

BJLFS

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#44
ddtblminw/minuscount said:
Thorpe's a tard who rambles on entirley to much the is more poinmtless crap in his book than there are chip's in a casino! Noone want's to know half the crap he has in his book! Sorry but i preferre L.R. I began with Beat the dealer but now i would hardley ever claim that trash and even lawerance revere thought he was the only credible author on the subject! and compared to me sorry but lawerance revere is a novice compared to me lol he did not have the emotional stability to be a big player and go without losing check his i believe 180 day chart in his book! The old quack couldnt even stick to his own strategy when he played gettin up after fifty profit or an hour play which ever comes first! But what dumbfounds me is that he would ever play four one hour in a casino! I make my fifty or what is now 100 on one two deck game of face down what five minutes of play if there are four or more players!Or if i am playing four hands! i have been known to do it in three to five rounds if i got a large bank roll!
Yeah sure. BTW, "Thorpe" is spelt Thorp.
 

kewljason

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#45
BJLFS said:
Yeah sure. BTW, "Thorpe" is spelt Thorp.
Spelling and grammar mistakes (of which there are many) are the least of this guys problems and inacuracies. :rolleyes: I tend not to hold that against anyone as English is not the first language of some of our contributors. English is my first language and I am a horrid speller.
 
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Solo player

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#46
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kewljason

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#47
ddtblminw/minuscount said:
Thorpe's a tard who rambles on entirley to much the is more poinmtless crap in his book than there are chip's in a casino! Noone want's to know half the crap he has in his book! Sorry but i preferre L.R. I began with Beat the dealer but now i would hardley ever claim that trash and even lawerance revere thought he was the only credible author on the subject! and compared to me sorry but lawerance revere is a novice compared to me lol he did not have the emotional stability to be a big player and go without losing check his i believe 180 day chart in his book! The old quack couldnt even stick to his own strategy when he played gettin up after fifty profit or an hour play which ever comes first! But what dumbfounds me is that he would ever play four one hour in a casino! I make my fifty or what is now 100 on one two deck game of face down what five minutes of play if there are four or more players!Or if i am playing four hands! i have been known to do it in three to five rounds if i got a large bank roll!

Although I didn't and haven't had the pleasure of knowing either of these gentlemen, as a student of the game of blackjack I take offense to your comments. Thorpe was and is a great mathematician. His interest in blackjack and published findings are probably either directly or indirectly responsible for for everything that came after. Comparing yourself favorably to Revere, even with his many faults, is a joke! There are members here who knew and trained under/with Revere and I would think they take offense as well, when a half-wit preaching voodoo tactics like a stop limit, and making ridiculous claims disrespects such a player.

Just to point out one of your many inaccuracies, initially you stated that you made your first 2 trips (60) sessions and won all 60 using only basics stratedgy. You then stated that you learned to count and made 10 more trips winning all 300 sessions.

Later you state that you learned to count, studying for 3 years before making any trips. :confused:

Studying for 3 years with no job, no family to take care of, no wife and yet you "immersed" yourself in blackjack studies only 2 hours per week. :confused: If I had to guess, I would guess you were incarcerated at the time, which would explain all of this and with prison libraries out of date, would also explain how a 20 year old's first contact with card counting comes through a 40 year old book.

I suppose this post crosses the line a bit, but I am going to leave it and let management make that decision.
 
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#48
kewljason said:
Although I didn't and haven't had the pleasure of knowing either of these gentlemen, as a student of the game of blackjack I take offense to your comments. Thorpe was and is a great mathematician. His interest in blackjack and published findings are probably either directly or indirectly responsible for for everything that came after. Comparing yourself favorably to Revere, even with his many faults, is a joke! There are members here who knew and trained under/with Revere and I would think they take offense as well, when a half-wit preaching voodoo tactics like a stop limit, and making ridiculous claims disrespects such a player.

Just to point out one of your many inaccuracies, initially you stated that you made your first 2 trips (60) sessions and won all 60 using only basics stratedgy. You then stated that you learned to count and made 10 more trips winning all 300 sessions.

Later you state that you learned to count, studying for 3 years before making any trips. :confused:

Studying for 3 years with no job, no family to take care of, no wife and yet you "immersed" yourself in blackjack studies only 2 hours per week. :confused: If I had to guess, I would guess you were incarcerated at the time, which would explain all of this and with prison libraries out of date, would also explain how a 20 year old's first contact with card counting comes through a 40 year old book.

I suppose this post crosses the line a bit, but I am going to leave it and let management make that decision.
Don't even bother arguing with the troll. Once his mother gets home she will take away his milk, cookies and computer time. If it weren't for the internet his messages would probably have been written in crayon.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#49
kewljason said:
Although I didn't and haven't had the pleasure of knowing either of these gentlemen, as a student of the game of blackjack I take offense to your comments. Thorpe was and is a great mathematician. His interest in blackjack and published findings are probably either directly or indirectly responsible for for everything that came after. Comparing yourself favorably to Revere, even with his many faults, is a joke! There are members here who knew and trained under/with Revere and I would think they take offense as well, when a half-wit preaching voodoo tactics like a stop limit, and making ridiculous claims disrespects such a player.

Just to point out one of your many inaccuracies, initially you stated that you made your first 2 trips (60) sessions and won all 60 using only basics stratedgy. You then stated that you learned to count and made 10 more trips winning all 300 sessions.

Later you state that you learned to count, studying for 3 years before making any trips. :confused:

Studying for 3 years with no job, no family to take care of, no wife and yet you "immersed" yourself in blackjack studies only 2 hours per week. :confused: If I had to guess, I would guess you were incarcerated at the time, which would explain all of this and with prison libraries out of date, would also explain how a 20 year old's first contact with card counting comes through a 40 year old book.

I suppose this post crosses the line a bit, but I am going to leave it and let management make that decision.
It's hard to keep these things from getting personal, but it is always good to have counterbalancing remarks in the forums.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#50
post 48 said:
... BTW, "Thorpe" is spelt Thorp.
post 55 said:
ddtblminw/minuscount said:
...After i had tried to read thorpe's cramped book of his story's for chapter's before he got to his point....
One thing has been established: you are not a fast learner. Nor do you seem to have much respect for a giant of a pioneer in the science of card counting, possibly owing to your own inflated sense of yourself.

OK, moderator. :eek: Bar me. :( It was worth it. :)
 

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#51
ddtblminw/minuscount said:
Hey yall, this is ddtblminw/minus counts Friend Tutor! He may be confusing in his messages, but that's cuz he aint all there! He has had about the worst life there is and it has messed him up! But I even borrowed his books by THORP and Revere and he is right. Thorp is not a good teacher and rambles on alot! And not only getting stuff from his book but also from other sources, Revere even though he is good and made a living on it he did get emotional at the table's making him have bad sessions! And yalls right, he shouldn't bad mouth people he dont know, especially a dead guy. However I can say one thing no matter how stoned he gets or what he type's, the kid is a Blackjack guru he may not explain things right at times but his barin works differently and sometimes better than anyone I know! He isn't a tard. He just thinks differently and gets confused fast which is why his table play is so short on average about fifthteen twenty minute's he cant concentrate on the traditonal plus minus for some reason remembering three number's is easier for him than remembering one! But Since he does not drive right now, because of his anxiety behind the wheel, I have toke hime every single time and his play is what he says it is! Except the third trip he got mad cuz a pit boss would not stop staring at him so he looked at her and said you just gonna stand there and stare or are you gonna pull up a chair! She said, although she was upset, just admiring your play! Then he proceeded to take $240 from them in ten minutes at a ten min table varing the amount of hands he played in comparison to the true count instead of fluctuating a single bet in comparison to the running count! But I play exactly how he plays when we go down now, but never in the same casino! He said sorry bout everything and take'r easy!
Ok, I feel better now. His friend is vouching for him. :laugh:

Actually, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my "incarcerated" comment. That was just wrong of me. I could go back and delete it, but since it has been read by the person it was directed at along with others, that would be like cheating, so I will just apologize to ddtbl-whatever.

As far as this game catapulting (note the correct spelling...lol) you to riches. Don't count on it. :eek: You may be able to make some money over the long run, if you ever get serious and really study the game. Maybe even make a modest living, :eek: depending what your definition of what modest is, but the days of catapulting to riches are long gone. Even the guys on this site who are much smarter than myself and using far advanced techniques aren't catapulting to riches. :laugh: As for stress-free....forgetaboutit! :laugh: Best you can hope for is to minimize your stress levels. :)
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#54
ddtblminw/minuscount said:
Well i have made 33,000 in nine months way i figure i set my limit to 50,000 a year! May not be alot but after i get my house built i wont have to pay rent no more and i think i wont have to again because my house should be built before i have to pay rent again since i have a year and a half payed off! Which means all i have to worry about is electric and water and gas along with home owner's insurance and property tax! So i should have about thirty five to 40 thousand and slthough that aint a million dollars i should almost without a doubt have a substancial amount left over each year which i would be invest or put to retirment or something like it incase or when i do get black balled griffened or banned! So either way finacially stress free!
Is this you or "the tutor"?

The white coats are coming, the white coats are coming.
 

aslan

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#55
21gunsalute said:
Is this you or "the tutor"?

The white coats are coming, the white coats are coming.
It's obviously a put on. At some point it will move from mildly amusing or irritating to "please lock this thread!" ZG might call it a false flag operation to stimulate forum interest, although I haven't noticed forum interest flagging lately. These type posts get tiresome. Reminds me of high school level pranks. Tee hee hee :rolleyes: Why isn't everyone laughing? :flame:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#59
BJLFS said:
Can we please get back on topic.
It appears the subject changed on post #22 from "have people had "bad luck" in their first few outings?" to the charged contention that "no one should have bad luck, even when they don't count, by bs alone." As far as I'm concerned, we have already explored the original topic well enough, but should definitely not return to a discussion of the second topic. Let whoever wants open a new thread if they want to discuss the second topic. But I still do consider it a trollish thread and will not participate.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#60
BJgenius007 said:
I think I am one of the few lucky one.

I learned card counting when I was in college in upper state of NY. For my first 14 trips to Atlantic City, I won each of them. That streak was broken when I first visited Las Vegas. I think it is because I didn't adjust my playing because in AC, dealers always stay at soft 17 but a lot of LV casinos hit H17.

My advice to a new counter is to practice against computer and record every session result. You are ready for the real thing only if you are 500 units ahead of your minimal bet. And I remember in my first few trips, I played perfect basic strategy only/ no index play but I spread correctly according to true count. It cuts your winning by half but as a beginner, you build the confidence by place bet and play 100% correctly.

Not for nothing, but in forty years, I've never heard anyone refer to "upper state New York". Just where did you go to school?
 
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