Is a 1 to 4 Spread OK for this DD game?

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socal_bj

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Here's the DD game I'm playing this weekend:

Blackjack Rules: dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

That's right, they allow late surrender (yeah!)

The house edge is .34%

Can I get +EV with a 1 to 4 spread if I get 75% or better penetration?
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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socal_bj said:
Here's the DD game I'm playing this weekend:

Blackjack Rules: dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

That's right, they allow late surrender (yeah!)

The house edge is .34%

Can I get +EV with a 1 to 4 spread if I get 75% or better penetration?
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In a nut-shell" It seems acceptable, for a green or black chipper with a few others at the table. However if your red-chipping with a full table you may consider spreading a little more.
 
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BJgenius007

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socal_bj said:
Here's the DD game I'm playing this weekend:

Blackjack Rules: dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

That's right, they allow late surrender (yeah!)

The house edge is .34%

Can I get +EV with a 1 to 4 spread if I get 75% or better penetration?
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I know exactly where the DD game is. My advice is to run if you see Vicki is the dealer. All other dealers gave 75% or better penetration except Vicki giving 66%. She was from Las Vegas and said she knows how to deal with the counters. (She gave you a dirty look when everyone jumps to max bet.)
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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socal_bj said:
Here's the DD game I'm playing this weekend:

Blackjack Rules: dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

That's right, they allow late surrender (yeah!)

The house edge is .34%

Can I get +EV with a 1 to 4 spread if I get 75% or better penetration?
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Use 1 to 4-4 or 1 to 6
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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The answer to your question is that it partially depends on what count you are using.

If you are using a Level One count, or worse. an unbalanced count then you need to go to 6:1

If you are using a Level Two Count, e.g. Hi-Opt II or ZEN, then 4-1 will be profitable but you should go to a 6:1 spread anyway.

If you are concerned about wearing out your welcome, (and that is understandable), then bet 2 units off the top, and stay at 2 units with
a True Count of Zero or +1.
 
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socal_bj

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Thanks for the advice. I actually left for the weekend before reading it, so I went ahead with 1-4. I use balanced ZEN with 12 of the major indexes (excluding splitting 10s) I don't track Aces separately. The casino is southern California (PM me for the name) and it was very nice, they welcomed me with open arms as my green chipping action was not unusual because they get a lot of it. They casino hosts were so nice and comped my food and room. I lost on day 1 but won on day 2 and left with a net $500 win (keep in mind I bet for the dealer a lot so it eats into my profits, but I like to do it) I get the feeling I could play here for a long time. The players were also very nice to me. They all seem like regulars there. There was one guy who made a comment when I spread two hands but he wasn't rude, he just left the table.

The penetration was consistent b/c they had the plastic tray with the mark on it, but it was good b/c the mark was at 68% and the tables had 4 to 5 people so when there is one or two cards left before the cut card they would deal another round which penetrated to about 75%. Late surrender was nice to have. I surrendered only about 8 times though but most of the time it was the right move. I highly recommend this casino even if you spread 1 to 8 because they are very friendly and very loose.


My regular casino (which is closer to where I live than this one) does not take late surrender but they don't use the plastic tray marker. The dealers put the cut card very deep and most of them deal out 75% to 80%. So I guess this makes up for not having late surrender???


This casino that I went to this weekend has a $100 minimum game which you guys will drool over because it's SINGLE deck with the same rules (i.e. late surrender, DAS, double any two, H17). But I would be more careful about spreading at these tables. Maybe use "depth charging". It looked like decent penetration (66% to 70%) If anyone wants me to play with you at this game (I'll be the friend who shows you my cards and asks you what to do). I always asks people what they have and most of the time they show me. I run into a lot of card "trackers" who don't really count but they try to get a feel for the amount of high cards that have been played so I flash them my cards and they flash me theirs and then the whole table starts doing it.

I get away with a lot b/c I'm a friendly, attractive asian woman. I like to laugh and have fun with the other players and dealers.
 
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socal_bj

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Stay away from Casino Pauma (terrible) and Soboba (really bad) and Penchanga (50% penetration and unfriendly people)
 
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Midwestern

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I get away with a lot b/c I'm a friendly, attractive asian woman.[/QUOTE]

You can get away with whatever spread you like. Only people that ever get heat are white guys under 50.

Even if you weren't attractive you can get away with a 1-15 spread on dd just because you're a woman. The fact that youre attractive increases that to 30. Casino surveillance does more stereotyping than the TSA. Take advantage of that!! ( or pm me to set up team play)
 
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socal_bj

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Midwestern said:
I get away with a lot b/c I'm a friendly, attractive asian woman.
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You can get away with whatever spread you like. Only people that ever get heat are white guys under 50.

Even if you weren't attractive you can get away with a 1-15 spread on dd just because you're a woman. The fact that youre attractive increases that to 30. Casino surveillance does more stereotyping than the TSA. Take advantage of that!! ( or pm me to set up team play)[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what "team play" you are thinking of. I don't think pooling my bank roll w/people I don't know is a wise thing to do. Plus I don't want to learn a different count (I'm good with Zen) nor do I want to play the 6 deck games because the DD games are so much easier with better rules. There's no mid shoe entry allowed in DD so need to signal the big bettor in. I could show you my cards if you play with me but that's so easy in DD, if you are friendly and just ask people to show you their cards and they do it. I even ask the dealer for new shuffle if a shoe is beating me up too much and they do it.

But I'm happy to bet your chips for you on these great DD games and spread 1 to 10 (I've been spreading 1 to 4 because I can't handle the volatility with my BR yet) if you think you will be backed off for doing so. I know I probably wouldn't for the reasons you mention. I've had players at my table give me their chips to bet for them before when they see I'm on a "lucky" streak. So if you are thinking along these lines PM me; I go to the casinos 2 to 3 times a week and play 15 to 20 hours a week.
 
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arrando

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socal_bj said:
Stay away from Casino Pauma (terrible) and Soboba (really bad) and Penchanga (50% penetration and unfriendly people)
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Are you only talking about double deck at pauma? cause the shoe games are pretty good, decent pen.
 
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irobinson

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socal_bj said:
Thanks for the advice. I actually left for the weekend before reading it, so I went ahead with 1-4. I use balanced ZEN with 12 of the major indexes (excluding splitting 10s) I don't track Aces separately. The casino is southern California (PM me for the name) and it was very nice, they welcomed me with open arms as my green chipping action was not unusual because they get a lot of it. They casino hosts were so nice and comped my food and room. I lost on day 1 but won on day 2 and left with a net $500 win (keep in mind I bet for the dealer a lot so it eats into my profits, but I like to do it) I get the feeling I could play here for a long time. The players were also very nice to me. They all seem like regulars there. There was one guy who made a comment when I spread two hands but he wasn't rude, he just left the table.

The penetration was consistent b/c they had the plastic tray with the mark on it, but it was good b/c the mark was at 68% and the tables had 4 to 5 people so when there is one or two cards left before the cut card they would deal another round which penetrated to about 75%. Late surrender was nice to have. I surrendered only about 8 times though but most of the time it was the right move. I highly recommend this casino even if you spread 1 to 8 because they are very friendly and very loose.


My regular casino (which is closer to where I live than this one) does not take late surrender but they don't use the plastic tray marker. The dealers put the cut card very deep and most of them deal out 75% to 80%. So I guess this makes up for not having late surrender???


This casino that I went to this weekend has a $100 minimum game which you guys will drool over because it's SINGLE deck with the same rules (i.e. late surrender, DAS, double any two, H17). But I would be more careful about spreading at these tables. Maybe use "depth charging". It looked like decent penetration (66% to 70%) If anyone wants me to play with you at this game (I'll be the friend who shows you my cards and asks you what to do). I always asks people what they have and most of the time they show me. I run into a lot of card "trackers" who don't really count but they try to get a feel for the amount of high cards that have been played so I flash them my cards and they flash me theirs and then the whole table starts doing it.

I get away with a lot b/c I'm a friendly, attractive asian woman. I like to laugh and have fun with the other players and dealers.
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That casino doesn't have the SD $100/min anymore!
 
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FrankieT

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socal_bj said:
I get away with a lot b/c I'm a friendly, attractive asian woman. I like to laugh and have fun with the other players and dealers.
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If I were a female Asian, i'd be comfortable with a spread of 1 to 2x50. I would also play rated.
 
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