ZenKinG said:
BUT in a SHOE GAME I just don't see how tracking certain denomination cards can be any what beneficial to the player and this is because of the dilution of cards in a shoe game.
I am not sure I explained this very well. It is the expected neutral card deck compositions that get their bets reduced for Hilo. That is why I said to do your own research. This varies by count system. And things don't do what you might expect.
Here is a CDA program link:
http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi
Let's say you use Hilo. You have a TC that has the same number of cards of each rank for the lows and highs that has a TC of +2 (average advantage for an 8 deck game 1.5 decks cut off is 1.06%) with 5 decks left (to make adjustments to neutral cards easy, that is a RC of +12. If the 7 through 9 ranks are at expectation you have a deck composition that looks like this (cards remaining 2-A) for S17, DAS, LS, noRSA, SP4:
1) Neutral TC +2 with 5 decks left (260 cards): ( 19,19,19,19,19,20,20,20,84,21) advantage .8095%
2) Two less of each counted card at TC +2 with 5 decks left(260 cards): (17,17,17,17,17,27,27,26,76,19) advantage 1.069%
3) Two more of each counted card at TC +2 with 5 decks left(260 cards): (21,21,21,21,21,13,13,14,92,23) advantage 1.038%
So as you see it is the normal distributions of neutral cards that get reduced bets with 5 decks left and a TC of +2. That is most of the TC bins frequency.
For 2.5 decks left at TC +2:
1) Neutral TC +2 with 2.5 decks left (130 cards): ( 10,9,10,9,9,10,11,10,42,10) advantage .9697%
2) One less of each counted card at TC +2 with 2.5 decks left(130 cards): (9,8,9,8,8,14,14,13,38,9) advantage 1.220%
3) One more of each counted card at TC +2 with 2.5 decks left(130 cards): (11,10,11,10,10,7,7,7,46,11) advantage 1.110%
Again, as you can see the most frequent deck compositions where the neutral cards are at expectation are what get reduced bets. So ZK argument that the dilution to have most neutral card densities in shoe games close to expectation is exactly when you would be reducing bets.
Like I have said so many times, there is value to knowing the neutral cards are at expectation. And as I have repeatedly said linear adjustments for neutral cards for betting are useless (As is indicated by increased advantage for both surplus and deficit neutral cards and significantly reduced advantage for neutral cards at expectation. Experts say floating advantage only happens at very deep penetration but as is indicated even as many as 5 decks left show a much more significant discrepancy in advantage than at 2.5 decks left. So much for what experts know about different ways to use information. It helps if you don't speak from ignorance on a new way of using information) but using a different method to use neutral cards to assess advantage reveals an opportunity that is overlooked. All anyone had to do was do the slightest effort with their own initiative and they would have seen I was right. I said play around with the CDA and you would get it. But all the supposed experts that never looked into other ways to use information are ignorant on what happens when you use information in new ways.