Let's punish all the casinos we hate for being excessively greedy

[Thunder]

We should all decide on one day or night or whatever to hit a certain casino that we all hate with the goal of making a big dent in their wallets. We then should keep playing there until they're either bankrupt, we've all been 86ed or they agree to change their rules for the better! At the same time, we'll short their stock and make bundles more when they report a massive loss in earnings in their quarterly statmenet :-D It would be like Bringing Down the House X 500 Who's with me?

:whip:

 

[bj bob]

We should all decide on one day or night or whatever to hit a certain casino that we all hate with the goal of making a big dent in their wallets. We then should keep playing there until they're either bankrupt, we've all been 86ed or they agree to change their rules for the better! At the same time, we'll short their stock and make bundles more when they report a massive loss in earnings in their quarterly statmenet :-D It would be like Bringing Down the House X 500 Who's with me?

:whip:

Let's start with the :devil: EVIL EMPIRE :devil:!

 

[Sonny]

We then should keep playing there until they're either bankrupt, we've all been 86ed or they agree to change their rules for the better!

I think we all know how this one ends.

It's a tough sell to say to a casino "We're going to beat your games unless you make them more beatable." The guerilla approach is good for profit, but it will only burn out the game even more. The only way a casino will improve its game is if it brings them more profit (or seems to).

-Sonny-

 

[ChefJJ]

The only way a casino will improve its game is if it brings them more profit (or seems to).

Which is why the whole bad penetration thing doesn't make any sense to me unless the casino uses a ASM.

good luck

 

[21forme]

Which is why the whole bad penetration thing doesn't make any sense to me unless the casino uses a ASM.

good luck

The only explanation that makes any sense on this issue is the casinos are willing to give up profits to say that NOBODY can beat their games. Can management be that stupid? They should visit the supermarket and learn what loss leaders do for business.

 

[callipygian]

The only explanation that makes any sense on this issue is the casinos are willing to give up profits to say that NOBODY can beat their games. Can management be that stupid?

Yes, but they aren't necessarily so. Depending on how the reward structure is set up, it may be quite rational, just as sacrificing EV to reduce variance might be rational depending on circumstances.

Let's say, for instance, that a manager gets paid the same so long as profits are above a certain figure - no possibility of bonuses or promotion. However, there exists a strong penalty if profits fall below that certain figure. If a manager believes that the profits are sufficiently high above his penalty line, he might rationally accept a 10% drop in profits to ensure that he never has a 20% negative spike.

There's a number of scenarios in which casino management might rationally make a decision that hurts the casino.

 

[ChefJJ]

Could be the case...

But it seems to me that dealing an extra deck per shoe per table will get a decent amount more hands dealt, and more money in play. Effective card counters would gain a better advantage because of this deeper cut, but are there really enough real APs to counteract the more money put in play with a negative advantage?

Blackjack players who legitimately play with a long-run advantage are few and far between when compared with the masses. In my unscientific opinion, I think the suits and execs anecdotally know that less penetration weakens a card counter's effectiveness. On the other hand, they may not know what this means in dollars and cents when compared to the opportunity cost of less hands to the masses playing a losing game.

Is shallow penetration a losing play for the house?

 

[InPlay]

We should all decide on one day or night or whatever to hit a certain casino that we all hate with the goal of making a big dent in their wallets. We then should keep playing there until they're either bankrupt, we've all been 86ed or they agree to change their rules for the better! At the same time, we'll short their stock and make bundles more when they report a massive loss in earnings in their quarterly statmenet :-D It would be like Bringing Down the House X 500 Who's with me?

:whip:

You won't do it that way. Only way is to get other people not to go there and thats next to impossible.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

What you are suggesting has some value. I've discussed it before as the Cicada Method. The purpose would be for longevity rather than any kind of influence on the casino.

If a casino was dealing a very beatable game, with heat, a large number of counters could go in and play simultaneously. It takes a while to identify and back off a counter, and while that process is going on, everyone else is merrily spreading away. Each counter while being backed off could make as big a fuss as possible to consume the casino's personnel resources for a few minutes.

 

[zengrifter]

I think we all know how this one ends.

It's a tough sell to say to a casino "We're going to beat your games unless you make them more beatable."

Yaa! zg

 

[Thunder]

Let's not forget, we're the reason blackjack ever became popular to begin with. When the casinos forget that, (the attraction to blackjack is that it can be beaten), they will have lost the sole reasoning that many people had for even deciding to play this boring game! In many ways, casino management is still stuck in a 20th century mindset. They believe that players aren't sophisticated enough to realize that hitting on soft 17 and using more decks is bad for their wallets. The day is fast approaching though when their greed combined with the vast library of how to play blackjack correctly on the internet, will lead to their doom. After all, what's the appeal of playing a game where you know you're not going to win lots of money relative to your bankroll and on top of that, you're faced with a big house edge. Slots worked because there was always the promise of a huge jackpot. Same thing for some other card games. Blackjack doesn't have that, so it needs to offer good odds to entice people.
Some have argued that by ganging up on a casino, they'd be more inclined to make the rules worse thus hurting our cause. However, I believe in the long run, that would hurt them more because the card counters would leave when the rules got worse and they'd also lose all their other customers too when they found that they were losing a lot more than say at Casino XYZ with their liberal rules. There is only so much losing one will take before you lose their loyalty. IF you've ever walked out of a casino having lost a huge amount, you know that sick feeling in your stomach you get that makes you question whether you ever want to gamble again and whether it be logical or not, you're going to associate losing with that casino. For a casino to be successful, it has to offer 3 things.
1. Value
2. Entertainment
3. Mystique

I think value speaks for itself. As for entertainment, people want to be entertained while they're staying at a casino. They want to feel that there is more to do than just gamble. How else are they going to convince their non-gambling buddies to come along. Besides, you want something to do when you're tired of counting cards for 5 hours straight.
Mystique is when you go to a casino and you genuinely feel that you're entering a whole new world where you feel like you belong to something special. You're not going to get that feeling walking into Trump Plaza or Bally's. It's one of the reasons why the Borgata or Bellagio is so successful. You walk in there and you feel like you're among kings with the service you get (people who genuinely want to insure that your stay is a pleasant one)and the atmosphere where most people seem to be happy and enjoying themselves vs other casinos where everyone seems depressed. Anyway, I feel like I could write a book on this so I will stop before I put everyone on here to sleep! :cool2: