Lucky Ladies Sidebet

Zexika

Active Member
#1
I remember seeing it somewhere a while ago for Zen count but I can't seem to google it now. Back then I used HiOpt II so I didn't pay attention to it but I do remember that at certain TC and higher Lucky Ladies is profitable bet. Vaguely I remember something like, don't bet for first half the shoe, then start betting at TC+10 or so, but I'm probably wrong.

Zen count users, at which TC do you make Lucky Ladies bet?
 
#3
You can strike at 2x your insurance index +1 in 2D provided both Qh are available... If not, add an additional +2.

The above will work for full pay lucky ladies and most King's bounty versions.

Why did you start a new thread, when I already started a thread on sucker bets?

Also, main count correlation is the least effective way to play lucky ladies.
 
#4
Zexika said:
I remember seeing it somewhere a while ago for Zen count but I can't seem to google it now.
I cannot imagine that you can't seem to Google it. Actually there is quite a bit of material on Lucky ladies here at blackjack info -

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commu...dies-w-different-payout.20588/#js-post-210537

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/analysis-of-lucky-ladies.1233/

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/card-counting-the-lucky-ladies-blackjack-side-bet
 
#9
Hell'nBack said:
Yeah, you need a specialized LL count system.
The mostly known specialty counts are forms of 10s-ratio/counts, and they can spot 40+% more strike opportunities then the main count LLs correlation.
Counting_Is_Fun said:
You can use your main count, but LL side counts are well known
No, I think not. As opposed to specialty 10-counts, "LL side count" approaches that do not require abandonment of the main count for the main bet are not "well known" ...
.... certainly they were not described by Jacobson - and he has three or four articles on the subject.
 
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#10
Zexika said:
I found plenty for hilos, which I don't use.
Anytime you find a hilo number and you want to convert it to a ZEN number you simply multiply that number times 2, assuming it's based on the same number of count per deck.

In fact, virtually all level 1 indexes are interchangeable, as are all level two departures interchangeable the slight differences that lead to so-called precision do not mean anything in the real world. Especially when it comes to high variance sucker bets.
 
#12
Counting_Is_Fun said:
But still, most places won't let you bet enough on LL to make it very important to an AP.
OTOH even with a max 25$ suckerbet - most counters having a max mainbet of $100 - there is still real EV to gain...
... and there are other methods that can yield occasional advantages on the LLs bet over 300%
 
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BJgenius007

Well-Known Member
#13
Zexika said:
I remember seeing it somewhere a while ago for Zen count but I can't seem to google it now. Back then I used HiOpt II so I didn't pay attention to it but I do remember that at certain TC and higher Lucky Ladies is profitable bet. Vaguely I remember something like, don't bet for first half the shoe, then start betting at TC+10 or so, but I'm probably wrong.

Zen count users, at which TC do you make Lucky Ladies bet?
For Hi-Lo, LL strike index is +6 or +7. For any level 2 counting system like Zen or Hi-Opt2, normally your indexes double of Hi-Lo. That makes the LL strike index for Zen is +12 or +14.
 
#14
BJgenius007 said:
That makes the LL strike index for Zen is +12 or +14.
The Jacobson Zen/LLs simulation shows below that you are in positive territory at +10 and a 1% advantage at + 11 ---

TC - EV - FREQ
1 -22.28 7150325
2 -20.12 6065264
3 -17.71 4382426
4 -15.6 4258219
5 -13.35 2941507
6 -11.29 3040900
7 -8.56 1603349
8 -6.98 2261436
9 -3.28 1530661
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10 0.19 1155586
11 0.96 945176
12 2.96 797139
13 5.99 887449
14 10.61 517158
15 11.84 398814
16 15.8 483006
17 17.11 272720
18 20.06 136340
19 21.81 285145
20 27.96 132369
 

Zexika

Active Member
#15
xengrifter said:
The Jacobson Zen/LLs simulation shows below that you are in positive territory at +10 and a 1% advantage at + 11 ---

TC - EV - FREQ
1 -22.28 7150325
2 -20.12 6065264
3 -17.71 4382426
4 -15.6 4258219
5 -13.35 2941507
6 -11.29 3040900
7 -8.56 1603349
8 -6.98 2261436
9 -3.28 1530661
----------
10 0.19 1155586
11 0.96 945176
12 2.96 797139
13 5.99 887449
14 10.61 517158
15 11.84 398814
16 15.8 483006
17 17.11 272720
18 20.06 136340
19 21.81 285145
20 27.96 132369

This one is really helpful. Drink is on me when I hit LL one day. :D
 
#16
Zexika said:
This one is really helpful. Drink is on me when I hit LL one day. :D
okay, but your offer must stand even if you do not have money on the spot when it happens, agreed?

Question below, what do you think ...
... or is it to elementary for you to respond? (Just trying to confirm that we are on the same page)
xengrifter said:
Question for Zexika ....
Are you more likely to get dealt QQh in a high positive count, or a low negative count?
 
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#19
Dog Hand said:
Why is the frequency of a TC of +8 40% more likely than a TC of +7?
BJgenius007 said:
And TC +15 vs +16.
I don't know, but that has reminded me that there were a number of curious little anomalies in this sim and these questions I think were put to Elliot previously, never quite answered or I cannot recall the answer (s).
 
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