Analysis of Lucky Ladies

Discussion in 'General' started by zengrifter, Feb 18, 2006.

  1. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

  2. Matt

    Matt Active Member

    So using the Hi-Lo you bet the LL at TC >= 7
  3. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Yes. And based on the high advantage don't be afraid to through out more than $5. I've hit the QQh with $25 multiple times. zg
  4. Matt

    Matt Active Member

    Thanks, have you ever hit QQh w/ BJ?
  5. Mikeaber

    Mikeaber Well-Known Member

    Have you tried that "Dealer 20" "Player 20" that they have on some of the tables at Plaza? The payout can be quite large on a matched pair (spotted 10's I think are excluded on the huge payouts). The minimum is $1 on either or both spots.

    It would be a reckless bet without a high count, but would seem to be worthy as an "insurance" bet even at the 4:1 minimum for any 2-card twenty.
  6. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Its called Royal20s and its even better than LLadies - any 20 pays 5:1. Unfortuneately, myself and several others have burned that bet out and Plaza was the last remaining spot offering it.

    One night at Plaza I had a high-plus and spread to two hands - 3 R20 bets @25 each (including one on dealer - 1st hand JJc (25:1), 2nd hand A9h (10:1), dealer hand KKd (25:1)! The previously friendly pit manager grabbed for the phone with a bewildered look, I smiled and told him when he hung up, "See even a blind squirrel finds an occaisional acorn! zg
  7. Mikeaber

    Mikeaber Well-Known Member

    I've played the R20 (as you clarified) to advantage myself though never to the windfall you managed to hit it! I have seen it in other casinos with one minor little only had a side bet on the players hand. They removed the dealer bet from the options.
  8. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    If you didn't know the +count strike point you were NOT playing it to advantage. The other version is LLadies. zg
  9. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    That is a FANTASTIC bet! I created a special counting system for that bet last year. The bet is so profitable that I trained a partner and brought them up to Vegas just to play it. We had a great weekend's worth of play but eventually started getting too much heat. We've been carefully milking it since then.

    I was hoping to get some table time with the Grifter since he introduced me to the bet, but he had already been barred by that point. Luckily we were able to catch up later.

  10. Mikeaber

    Mikeaber Well-Known Member

    I'll be out there again in May and most likely will make it to Plaza.
  11. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    I watched Sonny and his partner from a distance as they played the bet for the first time - they looked sooo innocent - seemed like every other time that they made the side bet they would win and yell, "Yeah, suited!" (10:1). zg
  12. jetace

    jetace Well-Known Member

    zg- have you seen a sim. using a level 2 counting system for LL?
    Atlantis in Reno has a 2deck I'd like to try zen or HO2 on.
    Ever tried it?

    By the way, I read the entire interview. I love reading fascinating stories like that. You've really experienced a lot!

    How long ago did you give the interview?
  13. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    I have the LL sim for ZEN, give me your email address. The interview took place during my FPC incarceration 2'03 to 4'04. zg
  14. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Lucky Ladies Report ZEN

    Here it is, SIM by Professor Jacobson UCSB. zg

    Lucky Ladies Report ZEN
    Number of decks: 2
    number of hands: 100000000
    Penetration: 72 cards.
    Payoff schedule:
    Any 20: 4-to-1
    Suited 20: 10-to-1
    Matched 20: 25-to-1
    QH pair: 200-to-1
    QH pair + BJ: 1000-to-1
    Count system:
    A: -1
    2: 1
    3: 1
    4: 2
    5: 2
    6: 2
    7: 1
    8: 0
    9: 0
    T: -2
    QofH: -2

    Lucky Lady earnings per 100 rounds (per hour): $17.6702
    Wager is made 6.48534 times per 100 rounds (per hour)
    Earnings per Lucky Lady $25 bet actually placed: $2.72463.
    Key True count (make bet at this count or higher): 10

    <=0 -33.68 60280508
    1 -22.28 7150325
    2 -20.12 6065264
    3 -17.71 4382426
    4 -15.6 4258219
    5 -13.35 2941507
    6 -11.29 3040900
    7 -8.56 1603349
    8 -6.98 2261436
    9 -3.28 1530661

    10 0.19 1155586
    11 0.96 945176
    12 2.96 797139
    13 5.99 887449
    14 10.61 517158
    15 11.84 398814
    16 15.8 483006
    17 17.11 272720
    18 20.06 136340
    19 21.81 285145
    20 27.96 132369

  15. jetace

    jetace Well-Known Member

    Wow! It looks like EV's are better just using Hi-Lo.
    Very interesting.

    Which method have you used/prefer?
  16. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Not better, the same. (Level-2 count) zg
  17. SystemsTrader

    SystemsTrader Well-Known Member

    LL for 8 decks

    Lucky ladies is now at some of my local casinos but they only have it for 8 decks. At the above site the sim was done for KO 6 decks and you would play LL at a count of +10. Have any sims been done for 8 decks or is there a way to convert the RC from 6 to 8 decks? Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks!
  18. A better system for LL

    I suggest using this counting system for FPLL on Double Deck --

    A-9 = +1
    T-K = -2
    First Q of H = -10
    Second Q of H = -2

    Make the wager with a TC of 11 or higher.

  19. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Since its an ub'd count, can you bet LLs in RC mode? Will the RC#s hold up for 6-8D?

    I suppose that if someone wanted to use JUST that count on LLs they could also have a playing and betting strategy for that. Its an ub'd 10-point-count. zg
  20. bnoc848

    bnoc848 Active Member

    i didnt understand the thing too well, so if im playing 8-deck using KO when would i take the bet?

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