My Blackjack game. Is it possible?

charlieflip

charlieflip

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Ok, so I got out tonight and observed the spot where I would come to play at in the future. First of, some pointers;
I Live in sweden, where there is a gaming monopoly.
These rules apllies to all of those little casinos, except the big ones (where the age limit is 21) : min bet: 2$, max bet: 6$.

***(These values are rounded down, I just took those values because it would be easier to calculate)***

Anyway, I didn't think this game had a +EV. But I got unsure.
The penetration was great, and the rules decent:

85-90 % penetration , DAS, Double on any, Insurance, Dealer stand S17, No surrender, 6 decks.

And the betting restriction only applies to one hand. So if you want, you could bet max bet on max 9 hands.

Another important thing. Wonging is completly doable, you can wong out and wong in at any time, backcounting is completly free to do aswell. There is no suspession whatsoever. I consider wonging a must in this game. This will mean that I only play positive true counts.

So now Im wondering, has this game a EV+? Can I make a profit from this?
 
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mjbballar23

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charlieflip said:
Ok, so I got out tonight and observed the spot where I would come to play at in the future. First of, some pointers;
I Live in sweden, where there is a gaming monopoly.
These rules apllies to all of those little casinos, except the big ones (where the age limit is 21) : min bet: 2$, max bet: 6$.

***(These values are rounded down, I just took those values because it would be easier to calculate)***

Anyway, I didn't think this game had a +EV. But I got unsure.
The penetration was great, and the rules decent:

85-90 % penetration , DAS, Double on any, Insurance, Dealer stand S17, No surrender, 6 decks.

And the betting restriction only applies to one hand. So if you want, you could bet max bet on max 9 hands.

Another important thing. Wonging is completly doable, you can wong out and wong in at any time, backcounting is completly free to do aswell. There is no suspession whatsoever. I consider wonging a must in this game. This will mean that I only play positive true counts.

So now Im wondering, has this game a EV+? Can I make a profit from this?
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does this game have a +EV? Yes
Can I make profit from this? Yes, about $4 an hour. The $6 max kills the game. If the game had a reasonable max bet it would be an EXCELLENT game.
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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charlieflip said:
Ok, so I got out tonight and observed the spot where I would come to play at in the future. First of, some pointers;
I Live in sweden, where there is a gaming monopoly.
These rules apllies to all of those little casinos, except the big ones (where the age limit is 21) : min bet: 2$, max bet: 6$.

***(These values are rounded down, I just took those values because it would be easier to calculate)***

Anyway, I didn't think this game had a +EV. But I got unsure.
The penetration was great, and the rules decent:

85-90 % penetration , DAS, Double on any, Insurance, Dealer stand S17, No surrender, 6 decks.

And the betting restriction only applies to one hand. So if you want, you could bet max bet on max 9 hands.

Another important thing. Wonging is completly doable, you can wong out and wong in at any time, backcounting is completly free to do aswell. There is no suspession whatsoever. I consider wonging a must in this game. This will mean that I only play positive true counts.

So now Im wondering, has this game a EV+? Can I make a profit from this?
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Let me see if I got this straight:

So you could make a min bet in negative counts of 2$ and a MaxBet in positive counts of up to 6$ on nine different hands?(54$) 1:27

Also, are there any restrictions when playing two hands. Meaning can you play two or three hands of 2$?
 
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Unshake

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If you get 90% penetration on a 6 deck that = 280/312 dealt out before cut card so 32 cards behind cut card.

If you played 9 spots + a dealer = 10 spots.

It would be pretty possible to run them out of cards :laugh:
 
charlieflip

charlieflip

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jack said:
Let me see if I got this straight:

So you could make a min bet in negative counts of 2$ and a MaxBet in positive counts of up to 6$ on nine different hands?(54$) 1-17

Also, are there any restrictions when playing two hands. Meaning can you play two or three hands of 2$?
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Even better: When there is a negative count, your bet is 0 $. Meaning you will only play at an advantage. But yes, you could play two or three hands of 2 $.

Canceler said:
The tables there have 9 spots*?? :eek:

*betting circles, or boxes, or whatever they are there
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Yep, the table has 9 spots. There was this guy who bet max at every spot, 5 times in a row. He talked in the phone while playing and never gave a damn about what happnened.


Im very sure that the penetration was about 85-90 %.


Is it true what mjbballar23 said? is the EV 4$ and not higher? Even when only playing when TC = positive?
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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Well technically, you could have up to a 1:27 spread w/85% pen with decent rules.

I personally think this game is definetly beatable. Of course everything depends on how much you wong w/ the # of players at the table.

I wouldnt wong in w/ a full table however. I would make sure I could at least play 2 spots.

I think this is a good question for sonny. Sonny where are ya?

If you do decide to play it, make sure you let us know how you did.
 
charlieflip

charlieflip

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jack said:
Well technically, you could have up to a 1:27 spread w/85% pen with decent rules.

I personally think this game is definetly beatable. Of course everything depends on how much you wong w/ the # of players at the table.

I wouldnt wong in w/ a full table however. I would make sure I could at least play 2 spots.

I think this is a good question for sonny. Sonny where are ya?

If you do decide to play it, make sure you let us know how you did.
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Well the tables are never full, and ofc I must have at least two spots.
I thank you very much for your opinion and tip!

But I'd like to have some more in order to be sure to play at it.
 
charlieflip

charlieflip

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Yeah, I think you're right. I forgot to ask this because I didn't thought of it, I remembered it just now. Will it be a major diffrence?
 
QFIT

QFIT

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charlieflip said:
Yeah, I think you're right. I forgot to ask this because I didn't thought of it, I remembered it just now. Will it be a major diffrence?
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Sorry, makes the game unplayable.
 
moo321

moo321

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charlieflip said:
Yeah, I think you're right. I forgot to ask this because I didn't thought of it, I remembered it just now. Will it be a major diffrence?
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Yes. Totally ruins the game. Completely unplayable.
 
blackjack avenger

blackjack avenger

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Ripoff!!!!

charlieflip said:
Yeah, I think you're right. I forgot to ask this because I didn't thought of it, I remembered it just now. Will it be a major diffrence?
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It is criminal that the nation or a company is allowed to offer this game! It is not gambling it is theft!
 
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