question about player advantage
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A tad confusing
Your question re: player's advantage is a little nebulous. When you play proper BS, you have to play FLAT to maintain the theoretical adv.(which in this case is neg. and in general is about .5-.6%. What does set this neg. pct. (assuming perfect BS is being played) occurs even before you sit down to play. i.e. the table rules... This is what predetermines yor mathematical long term fate. This will tweak you -pct. up or down by various house,table rule adjustments. Some pos. adjustments or variations would be those such as DAS, s17,Sur, resplit Aces, DOA etc. Negative variations would include such rules as D10, no Sur, h17, no DAS etc. To sum it up, playing BS presumes a flat bet always (before doubling and splitting) and there is no controlling indicator to change bet size.
When talking about the .5% adv. per count you are assuming a count strategy that's in place which signals the player to increase/decrease his bet size and yes, more or less this indicator reflects(true count) about a .5% increase in the players adv. as it rises point by point.
Lastly, betting stategies alone will NOT give you any advantage unless the underlying game you are playing already is in your favor, which BS is not. Hope I answered your question as I was trying to interpret what you were really trying to get to.
Your question re: player's advantage is a little nebulous. When you play proper BS, you have to play FLAT to maintain the theoretical adv.(which in this case is neg. and in general is about .5-.6%. What does set this neg. pct. (assuming perfect BS is being played) occurs even before you sit down to play. i.e. the table rules... This is what predetermines yor mathematical long term fate. This will tweak you -pct. up or down by various house,table rule adjustments. Some pos. adjustments or variations would be those such as DAS, s17,Sur, resplit Aces, DOA etc. Negative variations would include such rules as D10, no Sur, h17, no DAS etc. To sum it up, playing BS presumes a flat bet always (before doubling and splitting) and there is no controlling indicator to change bet size.
When talking about the .5% adv. per count you are assuming a count strategy that's in place which signals the player to increase/decrease his bet size and yes, more or less this indicator reflects(true count) about a .5% increase in the players adv. as it rises point by point.
Lastly, betting stategies alone will NOT give you any advantage unless the underlying game you are playing already is in your favor, which BS is not. Hope I answered your question as I was trying to interpret what you were really trying to get to.
ya ok sorry I was too confusing. Let me try and reword this. In all my reading I have learned that a +1 count (using hi-lo) will about give the player even odds against the house. Is this built in because there are more high cards left or also because the player can be smarter in his strategy moves.
Here is one more attempt to explain it. Say I could play a 6 deck shoe and no matter what cards came out the deck was always +3. Typically according to books I would have a 1% advantage. Would this 1% advantage occur if I were to flat bet 1 unit and play basic strategy or would I need to flat bet 2 units (the correct amount for a count of +3) and also play altered basic strategy?
Here is one more attempt to explain it. Say I could play a 6 deck shoe and no matter what cards came out the deck was always +3. Typically according to books I would have a 1% advantage. Would this 1% advantage occur if I were to flat bet 1 unit and play basic strategy or would I need to flat bet 2 units (the correct amount for a count of +3) and also play altered basic strategy?
As he said the advantage doesnt depend on your bet.
The point of increasing the bets is as follows.
The edge is 0.50% to the house on each hand.
You getting a 1% edge doesn't occur as often, so when it does occur you usualyl have to make up for the 0.50% you have given away previously. So in this situation you should be betting about 4x your normal bet if you know your edge is 1% and that the 1% only comes up on average every 4th hand. In practive you will find getting the edge of 1% is very rare (takes alot more than +1 if you are playing multi deck), so you end up having to increase your bet alot.
The point of increasing the bets is as follows.
The edge is 0.50% to the house on each hand.
You getting a 1% edge doesn't occur as often, so when it does occur you usualyl have to make up for the 0.50% you have given away previously. So in this situation you should be betting about 4x your normal bet if you know your edge is 1% and that the 1% only comes up on average every 4th hand. In practive you will find getting the edge of 1% is very rare (takes alot more than +1 if you are playing multi deck), so you end up having to increase your bet alot.
Another alternative is to not play any hands where the house has the advantage. That way you can flat bet or use a very small spread while you have the edge and leave whenever it turns back in favor of the casino. You should see a positive count about 25% of the time in a decent shoe game, but that number will increase as you jump from one table to another.
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