Sim Data for Various Zen Betting Strategies

jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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Six Decks,H17,DAS,RSA
75%100Hph,Play-All(2x1-15)


+1<10x10
+2/25x25x25
+3/50x50x50
+4>100x100x100

RoR
10K=33.66%
20K=11.33%
Score=27.46



+1<10x10
+2/25x25x25
+4/50x50x50
+6>100x100x100

RoR
10K=26.14%
20K=6.83%
Score=26.26



+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50x50
+4>75x75x75x75

RoR
10K=36.80%
20K=13.54%
Score=20.96



+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+4/50x50x50
+6>75x75x75x75

RoR
10K=24.01%
20K=5.77%
Score=18.76
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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PrinceDragon said:
JJ:
I don't see how these betting schemes fit into real life casinos.:rolleyes:

P.D.
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You're right, its pretty stupid, now that I think about it. I just looked at a canned sim, using a 1-30 spread on 1 hand olny, and it has a higher win-rate, score and a lower RoR.
 
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jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150

RoR
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%
Score=33.45

I guess what I was trying to say was; how you bet your money is more important than what system you use.
 
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rukus

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jack said:

+1<10x10
+2/25x25
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150

RoR
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%
Score=33.45

I guess what I was trying to say was; how you bet your money is more important than what system you use.
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cut out that second $10 bet!! lets get a 1-30 spread :devil:
 
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johndoe

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UncrownedKing said:
Would that not lead to much unwanted attention, over even a back-off?
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It's a little risky, but you can get away with a 1-30 spread (inc 2 hands) with a good act in a big place. I did that all day my last session. (I still lost though. :cry:)
 
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rukus

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UncrownedKing said:
Would that not lead to much unwanted attention, over even a back-off?
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its very doable depending on your demeanor and act. also, some like to come off the top with a multi-unit bet and cut back if count goes south, you lose the hand, or the count stays neutral. could reduce what your effective spread looks like to the pit.
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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rukus said:
cut out that second $10 bet!! lets get a 1-30 spread :devil:
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Interestingly thats not the case. No, it doesnt make much sense, but you can see for yourself, regarding this anamoly. Its Correct! Just define the recomended betting strategy>Set rules>attach complete Zen.

Heres 1 unit@+1 and lower(1-30)
+1<10
+2/20x20
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150



RoR
10K=30.57
20K=9.34


Heres the standard 1-15 spread right



RoR
10K=21.38
20K=4.57

Notice the difference in RoR between 2handsx1-15spread and 1-15 spread
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%

Even though your win-rate, slightly more than doubles, your RoR does not.

Another, advantage is having the ability to control 2 hands at all times, plus this is also assuming a nickel table where double table min is enforced. And most importantly this is a play-all scenario.
 
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johndoe

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UncrownedKing said:
I believe he meant 1-30 spread on one hand? Could be wrong though.
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There's not much difference; I like to spread to two because I'm greedy with the good cards, and am usually playing with others.
 
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johndoe

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A 1-30 spread would be 1 hand of 1 to 2 hands of 15. Not sure where you get the 18 from, but at that point it doesn't matter much on a max bet (trading more hourly earnings for higher volatility and ROR).
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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play-all



+1<10x10
+2/20x20
+3/50x50
+4/200
+5>300



RoR
10K=45.22
20K=20.45
30K=9.25




+1<10x10x10
+2/20x20
+3/50x50
+4/200
+5>300

RoR
10K=50.89
20K=25.90
30K=13.18
 
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rukus

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JJ had my suggestion right, one hand of 1 to 2 hands of 15. But: Make sure you use optimal ramps if you want to be comparing strategies by ROR or SCORE. Otherwise by using the same ramp for each spread you will be forcing some of the spread strategies to be over or under betting at some points.

jack said:
Interestingly thats not the case. No, it doesnt make much sense, but you can see for yourself, regarding this anamoly. Its Correct! Just define the recomended betting strategy>Set rules>attach complete Zen.

Heres 1 unit@+1 and lower(1-30)
+1<10
+2/20x20
+3/50x50
+4/100x100
+5/150x150



RoR
10K=30.57
20K=9.34


Heres the standard 1-15 spread right



RoR
10K=21.38
20K=4.57

Notice the difference in RoR between 2handsx1-15spread and 1-15 spread
10K=32.55%
20K=10.59%

Even though your win-rate, slightly more than doubles, your RoR does not.

Another, advantage is having the ability to control 2 hands at all times, plus this is also assuming a nickel table where double table min is enforced. And most importantly this is a play-all scenario.
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