stupidest play you've seen?
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If tensplitter had bullied the player into not taking the DD and then DDing with their hand himself, then I would agree with you.
However, I believe the conversation most likely went something like this:
tensplitter: You should really double that
ploppy: I never double down
*back and forth about 3 times about doubling*
tensplitter: There's not any situation you would take another card, right?
ploppy: No, I guess there's not
tensplitter: So in that case, would you mind if I put my money up?
ploppy: ok
If that is what happened then tensplitter's not at fault.
However, I believe the conversation most likely went something like this:
tensplitter: You should really double that
ploppy: I never double down
*back and forth about 3 times about doubling*
tensplitter: There's not any situation you would take another card, right?
ploppy: No, I guess there's not
tensplitter: So in that case, would you mind if I put my money up?
ploppy: ok
If that is what happened then tensplitter's not at fault.
A ploppy who doesn't want to double down would be cheating herself out of an advantage on certain hands. Is there anything wrong with me taking advantage of the positive expected value she is giving the house? She was also afraid of hitting stiffs even against a dealer 10. I tried to get her to surrender a 16 vs 10, but she didn't want to surrender and she stood even though I told her to hit since the count was negative at that time. As luck would have it, the next card was a five.
As for doubling for someone else for player 10/11 or A/5-6 vs a low dealer card, it's not harming the other player more because they shouldn't need to hit again regardless of the double down card.
As for doubling for someone else for player 10/11 or A/5-6 vs a low dealer card, it's not harming the other player more because they shouldn't need to hit again regardless of the double down card.
I always avoid taking a ploppy's double down against a 2, 7, 8, 9, or 10/J/Q/K, because if he were not going to double down, that means he would have had the option of drawing more than one card. I would feel awful if I talked him into doubling down and he drew an ace on his eleven, and I had robbed him of the opportunity to hit it again.
Who cares?
The ploppy is going to give all their money to the casino anyway. You might as well try to scavenge some of it before the house gets it all.
I don't feel bad about taking someone's money when they went to the casino with the intention to lose it anyway.
I wouldn't be overly persistent about it though. Usually it's "hey, i'll double that if you don't want to", and if they don't approve at that point that's that. You're taking away the chance to make a +EV play from someone who makes -EV plays anyway.
The ploppy is going to give all their money to the casino anyway. You might as well try to scavenge some of it before the house gets it all.
I don't feel bad about taking someone's money when they went to the casino with the intention to lose it anyway.
I wouldn't be overly persistent about it though. Usually it's "hey, i'll double that if you don't want to", and if they don't approve at that point that's that. You're taking away the chance to make a +EV play from someone who makes -EV plays anyway.
I care.
They didn't get their money's worth for the amount they bet. If you had only $25 and could not bet another $25 for a double down, which would be the more profitable thing for you to do: draw one card, or draw as many cards as you needed in relation to the dealer up card?
If they are not willing to, or cannot, bet the additional $25, the fact that you are willing to put your $25 up actually reduces their EV, due to the limit you are imposing on ability to re-hit. I don't want to reduce anybody else's EV. My enemy is the house, not my fellow players, even if they happen to be ploppies.
They didn't get their money's worth for the amount they bet. If you had only $25 and could not bet another $25 for a double down, which would be the more profitable thing for you to do: draw one card, or draw as many cards as you needed in relation to the dealer up card?
If they are not willing to, or cannot, bet the additional $25, the fact that you are willing to put your $25 up actually reduces their EV, due to the limit you are imposing on ability to re-hit. I don't want to reduce anybody else's EV. My enemy is the house, not my fellow players, even if they happen to be ploppies.
Again.. a ploppy's money isn't really their money. For the majority of people, especially the ones too dumb to bother learning how to play the game they're betting their money on, the money already belongs to the house the moment they walk in.
Most people would probably let you take the double down even if you told them that it's negative value for them.
probably like 98% of people I see leaving a table game don't color up, because they got nothing left.
They're there to GIVE MONEY AWAY to the house, I don't mind taking a small piece of it. I wouldn't pressure people to do it, but if I ask and they let me there's no reason not to take it. If you feel bad about it, then give them advice on how to play their hand if they're willing to listen (the advice you give will have more EV then what you're taking away from the occasional double down). If they're not willing to listen, then their play is probably suicidal anyway and they won't leave with a dime.
So take their double down, if you win, give em a high five or something, they'll probably have a better time at the table. Think of it as an entertainment charge.
Most people would probably let you take the double down even if you told them that it's negative value for them.
probably like 98% of people I see leaving a table game don't color up, because they got nothing left.
They're there to GIVE MONEY AWAY to the house, I don't mind taking a small piece of it. I wouldn't pressure people to do it, but if I ask and they let me there's no reason not to take it. If you feel bad about it, then give them advice on how to play their hand if they're willing to listen (the advice you give will have more EV then what you're taking away from the occasional double down). If they're not willing to listen, then their play is probably suicidal anyway and they won't leave with a dime.
So take their double down, if you win, give em a high five or something, they'll probably have a better time at the table. Think of it as an entertainment charge.
It's been a while since I've seen anything so idiotic that I would want to post it here but this one takes the prize. The dealer overtly flashed his hc and third base announces "I saw that". Dealer has an 8 up. 3rd base coaches someone to hit H17, so the dealer obviously has a ten or an ace in the hole. Next guy waves off hard 16 insistantly even though he now knows the dealer has 18+. Then the real comedy begins. The guy at 3b doubles his hard 12!
The sad part of the story is that was the last flash from that dealer.
The sad part of the story is that was the last flash from that dealer.
Fun plays in AC
Facedown SD game, 2b ploppy hit against a dealer 7, Got a six and was happy he crossed 17. Time of payout he showed A, Q , 6.
Other guy at the same SD game, 1 b newbie asked the dealer what to do with a Q , 2 against Dealer 8. Dealer asked to hit. Player asked why should he hit and wants to know the value of Q. After 10 minutes losing all the money, player said "No more", dealer was happy.
Another guy at 1b asked the Dealer what to do with with Q4 against Dealer 10. Dealer said he cannot tell. Player asked other players what to do then.
No wonder, who else will play that Sucker SD in AC Trump, 6:5, no DAS - only our fundraisers.
Facedown SD game, 2b ploppy hit against a dealer 7, Got a six and was happy he crossed 17. Time of payout he showed A, Q , 6.
Other guy at the same SD game, 1 b newbie asked the dealer what to do with a Q , 2 against Dealer 8. Dealer asked to hit. Player asked why should he hit and wants to know the value of Q. After 10 minutes losing all the money, player said "No more", dealer was happy.
Another guy at 1b asked the Dealer what to do with with Q4 against Dealer 10. Dealer said he cannot tell. Player asked other players what to do then.
No wonder, who else will play that Sucker SD in AC Trump, 6:5, no DAS - only our fundraisers.
talk about valentine's day massacre!!!
2 couples sat down at a table I had all to myself. dealer gets a 5. 1st guy hits and busts. flips over his cards to show that he had 99. his lady had 15. she hit and got 17, hit it again for 19, and then HIT IT AGAIN!! to bust. 2nd guy splits his 10s 4 times. his lady doubled down on 5. yes, the only player to win was the guy who re split his tens. yes he did it at least 3 more times.
2 couples sat down at a table I had all to myself. dealer gets a 5. 1st guy hits and busts. flips over his cards to show that he had 99. his lady had 15. she hit and got 17, hit it again for 19, and then HIT IT AGAIN!! to bust. 2nd guy splits his 10s 4 times. his lady doubled down on 5. yes, the only player to win was the guy who re split his tens. yes he did it at least 3 more times.
