Using the colors/suits for different values.

[jack.jackson]

Is it possible, to use a multi-level count, by tagging a few 'specific' Key cards different values, based on their color? For example, if I wanted the FIVES to be tagged as 1.5, couldnt, I simply tag Red 5s as +1 and Black 5s as +2 for an Average of 1.5?

Or better yet; off tagging a paticular suit, so 1/4 fractions could be used. i.e +1.75 or +1.25

All comments appreciated.

 

[non-self-weighter]

I don't see why not.

Look at the Red Seven count for example. There is also a Red Seven variant, where every 7 is counted as .5, to achieve the same effect. It just depends on the counter's preference. I believe it's ever so slightly more accurate to count the 7 as .5, but I don't think a counter is giving up much by only counting red 7 as 1. I have to assume the counter is giving up more with fewer decks.

 

[jack.jackson]

I don't see why not.

Look at the Red Seven count for example. There is also a Red Seven variant, where every 7 is counted as .5, to achieve the same effect. It just depends on the counter's preference. I believe it's ever so slightly more accurate to count the 7 as .5, but I don't think a counter is giving up much by only counting red 7 as 1. I have to assume the counter is giving up more with fewer decks.

Sooo... do you think, if you were to ignore the black 7s and tag the red ones @+1 it would be the same as tagging all 7s @+.5?

Im curious because, if using Ao2 for example, you could ignore a few cards, to make it stronger.

1122210-1-2(-2+)

Specs

.987(w/ace)
.671
.85

Now if, I could ignore all Red 9s that would give them a weight of -.5

And count all, Red 6s at +1 each, for a avg. weight of +1.5

Which gives me the modified ao2 of

1122(1.5)10(-.5)-2(-2+)

New specs:

.99
.68
.89



This technique could work, w/any count, as long as it works. But would it work?

I think im gonna work on something a little stronger, before I start doing this.

 

[non-self-weighter]

Sooo... do you think, if you were to ignore the black 7s and tag the red ones @+1 it would be the same as tagging all 7s @+.5?

Yes, and I am not the only one who thinks like that. It is straight from Snyder's Blackbelt in Blackjack, page 56.

This technique could work, w/any count, as long as it works. But would it work?

Yes. What makes you so skeptical?

 

[stophon]

Counting all the 7s as .5 lowers the standard deviation of your advantage

 

[QFIT]

Sooo... do you think, if you were to ignore the black 7s and tag the red ones @+1 it would be the same as tagging all 7s @+.5?

Close, but not exactly the same. Tagging half as +1 is slightly inferior to tagging all as .5.

 

[Grisly Dreams]

I thought about recreating the Revere Point Count by only counting red twos and red sevens.

But I thought: if I get, say, four or five red ones before seeing the next black one, my running count will be significantly ahead of where I would have been counting each as .5.

Soon enough I'll get around to running a sim to find out. . .