Where angels fear to go or "My day at the 6:5 table"

[Katweezel]

Hands on

We do. A quick search of the web will find the site. There is a PDF download of all of the proscribed rulesets for all casino games in the UK, and no changes to rules or payouts without prior authorisation from the GC are allowed. They have recently relaxed the requirement to obtain prior approval to offer promos (such as BJ plays 2-1 for certain times of the day etc) and only advance notice now needs to be given for such things. I'm pretty sure that reductions in payouts would need to be agreed in advance.

I can't see that the GC would ever agree to a casino licencee altering the BJ payout to 6-5, as the only reason to do this would be to increase the HE and so it wouldn't have a mutual benefit for the gaming public. They also kicked into touch an approach from Shufflemaster Inc along the lines that the GC should insist that all licencees in the UK use CSMs on all table games - as their Greek equivalent has done. They've left it down to individual licencees to decide. So probably more integrity with the UK's GC than their counterparts oversees. However did the Nevada State Gaming whatever agree to BJ payouts being downgraded to 6-5???? Or have the casinos got around it by not calling it Blackjack, but "21" or something similar?

So in the UK, is BJ mostly CSM? Are there any shops with hand-shuffled decks anywhere in the UK?

 

[matt21]

sorry for my error on adding to the house advantage for the absence of DAS. Jack/Jackson thanks for pointing out this error.

so from the simulation it looks as even with continous 65% pen the game is only break-even. This does sound sensible to me.

AnIrishmannottobright, what are your thoughts on the simulation result?

 

[UK-21]

So in the UK, is BJ mostly CSM? Are there any shops with hand-shuffled decks anywhere in the UK?

Loads. And it is possible to play BJ for £2.00 a hand, spread like silly (one contributor has reported spreading £2.00-£100.00) with no need for cover play or cover betting.

 

[Renzey]

From the simulation it looks as even with continous 65% pen the game is only break-even. This does sound sensible to me.

Remember now, that's with a 1-to-10 spread and DOA!

 

[1357111317]

Sometimes when playing two spots I may avoid hitting my first hand (if it's a soft against weak dealer upcard) and save it for the second spot if it's a ten or eleven doubling opportunity.

No sense wasting a ten on a soft 17 when there is a total of ten or eleven on the second spot.

I think this statement disqualifies you from being an a true AP if the statement that spreading 1-4 on 6:5 single deck makes money already didn't

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I think this statement disqualifies you from being an a true AP if the statement that spreading 1-4 on quarters makes money already didn't

LOL, that's downright ploppy talk... I love doubling soft hands when the player on my left has 11. "you took my 10!"

 

[UK-21]

Out of interest, what constitutes a true AP?

 

[EasyRhino]

Mr Renzey, thanks for running the sims.

Irishman, stop giving bad advice.

Your current tactics have the following flaws:

- Playing the wrong game
- Not spreading enough
- Betting too much / too many spots in neutral/negative counts.
- Not betting reliably according to the count
- Making intentional strategy errors (A,6, splitting tens).

You're just gambling. There's not anything morally wrong with that, but advising others to follow similar tactics makes you a charlatan. Cut it out.

 

[InPlay]

Out of interest, what constitutes a true AP?

Just saying it. Look at all the smart players here on this board. It's a no brainer. Just say it and you will be an AP. You will then be qualified to give advice to ploppys.

 

[kewljason]

Just saying it. Look at all the smart players here on this board. It's a no brainer. Just say it and you will be an AP. You will then be qualified to give advice to ploppys.

I limit my advise-giving to the plus counts. Stand 12 vs 2,3, stand 16 vs 10, stand 15 vs 10, stand all soft 17's, hell even stand hard 7 vs dealer 6. of course my advise is usually about preserving the high cards for additional rounds than helping the ploppies. :devil:

One time I was playing with one other college age kid. dealer drew a 7 card 21 to beat this kids 6 card 20. (low cards) I told him when that happens to me, I sit out the rest of the shoe and start again with the new one. He did and I played the rest of that extremely positive shoe heads up. :laugh:

 

[1357111317]

Out of interest, what constitutes a true AP?

I would say a true AP is someone who is actually playing with an advantage.

 

[kewljason]

I would say a true AP is someone who is actually playing with an advantage.

an advantage player is someone playing with an advantage...Hope you didn't put too much thought into that one 1357. :laugh: just kidding of course

 

[daddybo]

an advantage player is someone playing with an advantage...Hope you didn't put too much thought into that one 1357. :laugh: just kidding of course

Unless of course... you're a player that just THINKS he's playing with an advantage.. Then your a DAP.

Dap: noun, Acronym for Disadvantaged Player; a game player that labors under the misconception of a numerical advantage over a particular game or is being cheated by those hosting the game.

Also used incorrectly as a term for ploppies.. (See term defs.)

Also see Taxpayer...

 

[Martin Gayle]

By spreading usually 4 to 1 with rare 8 to 1 high count exceptions I haven't had any heat so far.

Probably because you are not playing with an Advantage.
Have you calculated what your EV is from this?

 

[UK-21]

I would say a true AP is someone who is actually playing with an advantage.

Does that include people who incur costs travelling to a casino, backcount crowded tables for three hours, try to wong in on +counts but can't because all slots are taken, have to buy a drink because they're not playing and don't want to stand around without one, wear out 25% of a pair of shoes pacing through the casino looking for that elusive table with one player that has played 6 hands where all the cards dealt were 2-6s, and then has to leave because they've been recognised by a PC who recently worked for another shop where they were backed off ? ? ? ? This could be the same guy who's adament that he won't play one particular game because the OOT HE is 0.10% worse than the one a mile down the road where he can re-split pairs. All relative I suppose?

I wonder what the effect of my flight from the UK to LV will be on my EV?
:laugh:

I would say a true AP is someone who is actually playing with an advantage.

Is that an actual one or a mathematical statistical one, and before or after the effect of StdDev is accounted for? If it's the latter, no AP should play until after they've played for at least 400 hours (and reached the ellusive "long term").
:laugh::laugh:

Lighten up guys. Irishmannot2brite was simply commenting on what he had found worked for him. If he'd posted it on (Dead link: http://www.ploppiesunlimited.com) I think they'd be a case for saying it was bad advice, but here? Most regular contributors here are bright enough, and know the numbers, to take a view on whether playing SD 6/5 is for them.

Just make sure you factor the shoe leather into the equation before flaming him for playing a -EV game!
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[sabre]

Hey newb99. People have posted quite clearly why the OP wasn't playing with an advantage. Your juvenile responses show that you are either a troll or a fool.

 

[UK-21]

Hey newb99. People have posted quite clearly why the OP wasn't playing with an advantage. Your juvenile responses show that you are either a troll or a fool.

Now now, no need for name-calling. Just my way of highlighting that the concept behind being an "AP" is relative, and runs to a bit more than the naked maths and %age behind the OTT HE of any particular game - in my humble opinion. You may disagree. Just out of interest, how many pairs of shoes do you go through in a year whilst hunting out the good games? Do you keep a log?

For the record, I'm not an AP as I am guilty of playing games that aren't the best around, have played on a table with a CSM and also spent the odd tenner playing roulette whilst visiting the houses of chance. But I do play for fun!

Oh, and I think the reference to "juvenile" was a bit off - I've just celebrated my 234th birthday.

Good cards !

 

[EasyRhino]

Even at the one or two boards I visit which could argruably be called "ploppies unlimited", there's still a distinction to be made.

If someone is describing a something like a "slot strategy" they like, then that's fine.

But if someone's recommending a slot strategy, or is under the impression that it will someone be a winner, then it's worth taking the time to debunk.

 

[Sonny]

Even the pro players seem to agree with our general consensus.

(Dead link: http://www.beyondcounting.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=108)

-Sonny-

 

[UK-21]

Even the pro players seem to agree with our general consensus.

(Dead link: http://www.beyondcounting.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=108)

-Sonny-

That's from a guy who's made one posting there? Must be serious.