Wong in point

[Koz1984]

Hey guys!

Just wanted to gather general opinions about the Wong in point on an 8 deck shoe game, more specifically, how far into the shoe, not the count. I Wong in at +2, however, I wait until at least 4 decks have been dealt i.e I will still wait if it is +14 with 7 decks remaining, +12 with 6, +10 with 5 etc. Is this too conservative? I just find being an 8 deck game, early high counts are sometimes not indicative of an immediate rich deck. I'm really just after thoughts and opinions on this approach.

Thank you.

 

[moo321]

No, there's nothing wrong with waiting until +2 to wong in, especially if it's H17. If it's S17 LS, you can come in at +1, but it all depends. You really aren't giving much up by waiting till +2.

 

[21forme]

Why wait until 4 decks are dealt? You're giving up +EV hands, standing around wasting time, and if the pit is not asleep, it's tough to backcount 4 decks without being noticed.

 

[Koz1984]

It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.

 

[Billy C1]

Numbers!

The math says to play all positive TRUE counts, doesn't it?

BillyC1

 

[moo321]

It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.

Generally speaking, +14 at 7 decks is the same as +4 at 2 decks. A +2 TC is a +2 TC.

 

[Koz1984]

Thanks guys! Guess I should be attacking these shoes harder.

 

[aslan]

It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.

A +2 TC with 7 decks remaining is just as rich as a +2 TC with 1 deck remaining. I've had a +20 something TC with 2 decks remaining and still got small cards nearly every hand. Even a 10% advantage is not like it's a sure thing.

 

[Canceler]

Rather than just take everybody's word for it...

It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck.

You should ask yourself why you are performing the true count calculation. What does it do for you?