Wong in point

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Koz1984

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Hey guys!

Just wanted to gather general opinions about the Wong in point on an 8 deck shoe game, more specifically, how far into the shoe, not the count. I Wong in at +2, however, I wait until at least 4 decks have been dealt i.e I will still wait if it is +14 with 7 decks remaining, +12 with 6, +10 with 5 etc. Is this too conservative? I just find being an 8 deck game, early high counts are sometimes not indicative of an immediate rich deck. I'm really just after thoughts and opinions on this approach.

Thank you.
 
No, there's nothing wrong with waiting until +2 to wong in, especially if it's H17. If it's S17 LS, you can come in at +1, but it all depends. You really aren't giving much up by waiting till +2.
 
Why wait until 4 decks are dealt? You're giving up +EV hands, standing around wasting time, and if the pit is not asleep, it's tough to backcount 4 decks without being noticed.
 
It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.
 
Koz1984 said:
It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.
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Generally speaking, +14 at 7 decks is the same as +4 at 2 decks. A +2 TC is a +2 TC.
 
Koz1984 said:
It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck. I am not worried about the pit watching me count 4 decks, this pit seems preoccupied with other tasks.
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A +2 TC with 7 decks remaining is just as rich as a +2 TC with 1 deck remaining. I've had a +20 something TC with 2 decks remaining and still got small cards nearly every hand. Even a 10% advantage is not like it's a sure thing.
 
Rather than just take everybody's word for it...

Koz1984 said:
It might just be my erroneous thinking, but I feel that even at say +14 with 7 decks remaining, the deck composition is still far too diluted and not indicative of a rich deck.
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You should ask yourself why you are performing the true count calculation. What does it do for you?
 
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