Counters,Basic Straegists, & Ploppies

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rogue1

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I've got a question. In your opinion what percentage of all players are counters,basic strategists, or ploppies?
 
It really feels like about 1% of people I've encountered at the blackjack tables play observably perfect BS. May be as high as 4%, but I doubt it.

And I think I've encountered maybe 7 counters over the last 18 months. Not seven percent, seven.
 
There are very few perfect basic strategists who aren't also counters. And almost all of them are comp hustlers.
 
I forgot to mention that 6 of the 7 counters that I've stumbled were at one local casino. Kind of ridiculous.
 
EasyRhino said:
I forgot to mention that 6 of the 7 counters that I've stumbled were at one local casino. Kind of ridiculous.
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And I think I know what casino that is. It's one of the places that lots of us have played in, or will.

But it seems I meet more counters in one day in Las Vegas than in one year in Connecticut.
 
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i've probably run into over a dozen counters and it was all at the same casino and thats only in a one year period (its a big casino). But almost all of them were bad counters because when the running count would go up to 6 after the first hand of a six deck shoe, they would start throwing out max bets haha. Needless to say they werent very successful
 
Not so fast

EasyRhino said:
It really feels like about 1% of people I've encountered at the blackjack tables play observably perfect BS. May be as high as 4%, but I doubt it.

And I think I've encountered maybe 7 counters over the last 18 months. Not seven percent, seven.
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If someone is exhibiting perfect BS at all times, then he is not counting. He's just perfectly BS'ing.
 
bj bob said:
And they were all at the same table and from M.I.T.:flame: :flame: :flame:
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I know! I told them they really shouldn't wear the school sweatshirts the next time they came. They just looked at me confused and went back to their graphing calculators.
 
zengrifter said:
Les than 2% BS, less than .05% counters. zg
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And I've found that those who play BS are all over the map on various plays, like 12 vs. 2 or 3, 11 vs. 10 or A, A6 vs. 7, A7 vs. 9, 66 vs. 2, 88 vs. 10, etc. They either pick and choose when they disagree with BS, they are using some generalized version of BS, they are mixing up 6-deck with SD or DD BS, or they don't realize their mistakes.
 
I think ZG numbers are pretty close on this one. I dont play as often as many members on this board but in 150 hrs of play over the last 2 years I can say I only ran across 1 person I could say for sure was counting.
 
nc-tom said:
I think ZG numbers are pretty close on this one. I dont play as often as many members on this board but in 150 hrs of play over the last 2 years I can say I only ran across 1 person I could say for sure was counting.
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I know. I keep looking and looking and looking. It's like hoping a long lost member of your family will show up, but they never come. I'll just keep looking! :(
 
I actually met another counter from this forum for a beer, turns out we have crossing paths for a year or so. It really was refreshing doing shop talk with someone who loves and understands the game. Otherwise I have only noticed 2 other counters at the same table as me in 2.5 years.

cheers

Tom
 
now this is interesting

this is one of the things that absolutely astounds me!!

I see very few people play basic strategy correctly... usually maybe one person per every other table I sit at... and almost never on a $10 table....

Also, I know for a fact that my last 3 day trip to Vegas 2 weeks ago, I only saw ONE person with a basic strategy chart!! hell , I still carry one in my pocket in case I forget what to do on my splits (those I just cannot seem to memorize).... THEY even sell charts in the giftshops!!!

as far as counters,,, I don't think I have ever seen one..... so they either are notthere or their spreads are real tight
 
I think your right about the BS and Card Counter Precentage, I have encourted several "Card Watchers" For lack of a better term, For example if 6-8 small cards come out, I see these people spike up their bets sometimes as much as 5 times their intital bet. I felt bad because i couldnt tell them that we were still in a negative count :)
 
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