6 To 5

[wallawalla]

Can A Single Deck 6 To 5 Be Beaten If A Player Wongs Out All Of The Negetive Counts, Providing That There Is Not A Mid Shoe Entry Restriction

 

[Sonny]

No, you would have to Wong out of more than just the negative counts. Basically, anything under a +4TC is –EV. If you don’t mind playing 5 hands per hour then you can beat this game with straight counting alone.

-Sonny-

 

[Kaiser]

It can be beat. I made several hundred dollars in a single session of 6-5 blackjack this year at the Imperial Palace.

All you have to do is not get any blackjacks, and be a little lucky to win most of your max bet hands. If you don't get any blackjacks, then technically you haven't "lost" anything by playing a game with a reduced blackjack payout.

At least, that's what I told myself after my win. Then again I will never do it again, so that I may retire as a lifelong winner at 6-5 blackjack. I might just be the world's only.

 

[moo321]

I'd rather play 6 decks with 50% pen.

 

[shadroch]

It can be beat. I made several hundred dollars in a single session of 6-5 blackjack this year at the Imperial Palace.

All you have to do is not get any blackjacks, and be a little lucky to win most of your max bet hands. If you don't get any blackjacks, then technically you haven't "lost" anything by playing a game with a reduced blackjack payout.

At least, that's what I told myself after my win. Then again I will never do it again, so that I may retire as a lifelong winner at 6-5 blackjack. I might just be the world's only.

Any game can be beaten if you play a small enough sample and quit a winner. THats not what he is asking. Playing the game long-term,it will give negative results if he followed his chosen pattern.
I have played one hand of Caribean Draw Poker. Was dealt three of a kind,dealer qualified and I quit,a lifetime winner.Should I now tell people that the game can be beaten?

 

[Kaiser]

Well, I see now that my post wasn't clear enough... I was being facetious of course about beating 6-5 BJ.

Of course it's not beatable. Well, my lifetime win rate excluded.

 

[ihate17]

How I beat it

Can A Single Deck 6 To 5 Be Beaten If A Player Wongs Out All Of The Negetive Counts, Providing That There Is Not A Mid Shoe Entry Restriction

Find a weak dealer.

ihate17

 

[FrankieT]

Can A Single Deck 6 To 5 Be Beaten If A Player Wongs Out All Of The Negetive Counts, Providing That There Is Not A Mid Shoe Entry Restriction

Sure it can be beat, if you like making 30 cents an hour

 

[jack.jackson]

No, you would have to Wong out of more than just the negative counts. Basically, anything under a +4TC is –EV. If you don’t mind playing 5 hands per hour then you can beat this game with straight counting alone.

-Sonny-

Sonny what are you saying here? Are you sayin that when your playin a single deck game, that you'll only experience a TC of +4 or higher, five times in a hour?

Because Im almost certain you'll at least see a RC of 0> almost 50% of the time, and the TC will always be higher than the RC.

Doesnt a systems PE take off a exactly that, of the houses edge? For example a PE of .50 can be deducted off the top of the house edge?

How much does 6/5 add to the house again? -1.5 or something right. Surely you could beat this game with counting alone, provided you were using uncanny bet spreads, right??

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

It can be beat. I made several hundred dollars in a single session of 6-5 blackjack this year at the Imperial Palace.

All you have to do is not get any blackjacks, and be a little lucky to win most of your max bet hands. If you don't get any blackjacks, then technically you haven't "lost" anything by playing a game with a reduced blackjack payout.

At least, that's what I told myself after my win. Then again I will never do it again, so that I may retire as a lifelong winner at 6-5 blackjack. I might just be the world's only.

as i was reading, i was like wtf, you have to be kidding me.. glad to see you werent serious!.. when playing video poker, if i accidentally dont bet the max, and i get dealt 4 to a royal flush, i feel like not keeping it, because if i hit it, im going to be so pissed, but of course i do keep it

 

[avs21]

It can be beat with a large bet spread. It is not worth it because you can almost always find better games to play.

 

[Sonny]

Sonny what are you saying here? Are you sayin that when your playin a single deck game, that you'll only experience a TC of +4 or higher, five times in a hour?

It depends on the penetration and speed of the game, but yes somewhere around there.

Because Im almost certain you'll at least see a RC of 0> almost 50% of the time, and the TC will always be higher than the RC.

Right. Unfortunately, most of that time it stays at 0. Almost 40% of the time in fact. Here are some count frequencies from CVCX online for SD:

<0= 33.47%
0 = 39.24%
+1= 7.64%
+2= 7.52%
+3= 0%

That’s a total of 87.9% of the time you’ll be –EV. A +4 TC occurs about 5% of the time and anything above that happens about 6.8% of the time. I guess you could play almost 12 +EV hands per hour at an uncrowded table, but that’s less than half of the opportunities of a standard SD game. At a crowded table you're looking at 5-6 +EV hands per hour.

Doesnt a systems PE take off a exactly that, of the houses edge? For example a PE of .50 can be deducted off the top of the house edge?

No, the PE cannot be deducted from the house edge. If a system has a 0.6 PE then it is 60% accurate but you can’t just take 0.6% of the house edge. The PE isn’t very helpful until you get deep penetration. The difference between using the HiLo with Ill18 and full indices is only about 0.01% off the top.

How much does 6/5 add to the house again? -1.5 or something right.

Right on.

Surely you could beat this game with counting alone, provided you were using uncanny bet spreads, right??

Yes. Unfortunately, counting cards using a huge spread at a SD game tends to be a bit obvious. Considering the small profit, huge variance and extreme heat you’ll be seeing you’re probably better off playing a different game or using a different strategy.

-Sonny-

 

[Cardcounter]

Definition of beating the game!

Most gambler's definition of "beating" a game is playing for an hour and coming out ahead quiting a winner for that day. If that is your definition for beating a game most casino games can be beat and do get beat occasionally by the same gamblers who lose most of the time. If your definition of a game that can be beat is recording your results in a note book and looking at your cumaltive results all your wins and all your losses and being ahead after lets say 100 hours of play than no 6 to 5 can not be beat along with almost any other game in the casino. In any one session you can play a crappy 6 to 5 game and comeout several hundred dollars ahead. With good rules after 10 hours of play I'm less than a $100 up and I have probably got more than a $500 worth of blackjack bonus payouts just to put into prespective the defastaning effects of a 6 to 5 payout!

 

[bj bob]

Wanna bet?

no 6 to 5 can not be beat along with almost any other game in the casino. QUOTE]
Let me spread what I want and allow MDE and I'll be off to the races. Trouble is, no pit is going to allow that in the real world. Theoretically though, 6:5 CAN be beaten.

 

[21forme]

Besides just looking at these games in disgust, does anyone look at the holecarding possibilities?

 

[ihate17]

I play 6/5 and beat it

Besides just looking at these games in disgust, does anyone look at the holecarding possibilities?

And when playing I generally do not even count (except by habit).
I only play it against weak dealers.
Think I already at least hinted that earlier in this thread.

ihate17

 

[Cardcounter]

6 to 5 can not be legally beat!

I mean you can not beat a 6 to 5 game by cardcounting. However you probably could beat the game by marking cards and hole carding this is illegal though and can go to jail for it. Why would you want to play a 6 to 5 game to give the casinos incentives to offer these games. Why wouldn't you want to play the traditional 3 to 2 games and have better odds walking in the door.
Of course you can mark cards and hole card in regular blackjack games. It would be slightly more profitable as well. If the casino isn't willing to pay me 3 to 2 when I get a blackjack I say next!

 

[ihate17]

I beg your pardon

I mean you can not beat a 6 to 5 game by cardcounting. However you probably could beat the game by marking cards and hole carding this is illegal though and can go to jail for it. Why would you want to play a 6 to 5 game to give the casinos incentives to offer these games. Why wouldn't you want to play the traditional 3 to 2 games and have better odds walking in the door.
Of course you can mark cards and hole card in regular blackjack games. It would be slightly more profitable as well. If the casino isn't willing to pay me 3 to 2 when I get a blackjack I say next!

How dare you call me a cheat! Typical casino employee attitude.
Hole carding is perfectly legal Mr Dealer! Just because you or some other dealer do not know how to do your job, as the piece of casino trash that you are, you want to put me in jail for your incompetence!

LEARN THE LAW or KEEP YOUR IGNORANT MOUTH SHUT.

ihate17

 

[jack.jackson]

10-4

-Sonny-[/QUOTE]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack,jackson
Sonny what are you saying here? Are you sayin that when your playin a single deck game, that you'll only experience a TC of +4 or higher, five times in a hour?

It depends on the penetration and speed of the game, but yes somewhere around there

Im also sure you were refering to a level 1 as well. As I later realized.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack,jackson
Because Im almost certain you'll at least see a RC of 0> almost 50% of the time, and the TC will always be higher than the RC.

Right. Unfortunately, most of that time it stays at 0. Almost 40% of the time in fact. Here are some count frequencies from CVCX online for SD:

<0= 33.47%
0 = 39.24%
+1= 7.64%
+2= 7.52%
+3= 0%

That’s a total of 87.9% of the time you’ll be –EV. A +4 TC occurs about 5% of the time and anything above that happens about 6.8% of the time. I guess you could play almost 12 +EV hands per hour at an uncrowded table, but that’s less than half of the opportunities of a standard SD game. At a crowded table you're looking at 5-6 +EV hands per hour.

Ill just disagree with ya here, so it looks like I know what Im talkin about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack,jackson
Doesnt a systems PE take off a exactly that, of the houses edge? For example a PE of .50 can be deducted off the top of the house edge?

No, the PE cannot be deducted from the house edge. If a system has a 0.6 PE then it is 60% accurate but you can’t just take 0.6% of the house edge. The PE isn’t very helpful until you get deep penetration. The difference between using the HiLo with Ill18 and full indices is only about 0.01% off the top.

Ill do the same thing here to! Your Wrong!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack,jackson
Surely you could beat this game with counting alone, provided you were using uncanny bet spreads, right??

Yes. Unfortunately, counting cards using a huge spread at a SD game tends to be a bit obvious. Considering the small profit, huge variance and extreme heat you’ll be seeing you’re probably better off playing a different game or using a different strategy.

-Sonny


I think I'll just stick with the 3/2 games

Just kidding sonny. Got some good rest last night which kinda put me in a jokin mood. Thanks for the lowdown.

 

[Sonny]

I mean you can not beat a 6 to 5 game by cardcounting.

That is false.

However you probably could beat the game by marking cards and hole carding this is illegal though and can go to jail for it.

Also false. I think it’s common knowledge that hole carding is not cheating. At least it has been mentioned numerous times on this website and others. And card marking is only illegal if you (or an accomplice) is the one marking the cards. If the casino marks the cards then it is completely legal to use those marks to your advantage.

You need to read more.

-Sonny-