A little humor at ploppy expense

[ihate17]

Call this, Playing my hand is hard enough, I can not play yours also.

I am sitting at a high limit table with two other players playing a shoe game. The count is in the max bet range and I am at first base. I have A,7 vs dealer 6 and double my bet and luckily draw a perfect 3. Middle guy has 2,3 takes a hit and gets a face and stays, third base also has A,7 but stays. The dealer turns 16, hits a 3, takes both guys money and I get paid double.
Third base now has something to say to me to the effect that if I was not greedy and doubled then the dealer would have hit the face that the middle guy got and we all would have won.
I say something to the effect, "I would have won half as much and considering that yes I am greedy and playing my hand is hard enough, I can not play your hand also and obviously to me you played yours wrong as you would have had 21 if you doubled also and since I got a king on my first card the dealer would have busted." As I finish saying this my second card, a max bet ace for blackjack falls on my king and third base pounds the table in anger. Still making oodles of friends at the casino.

Again, one of the great myths of blackjack, you know, the one about it being a team against the dealer is proven wrong.

ihate17

 

[ChefJJ]

You should have thanked them for their cash! :grin:

good luck

 

[Mr. T]

I cannot help noticing your title

A little humor at ploppy expense

Since you are an oldie here I cannot understand how doubling A7 is humorous.

To me this play cause more punch up than any others, although no doubt it is the right play.

 

[nottooshabby]

Man you must talk really fast to get all that out in the time it took to deal only several cards, even with a slow dealer! :laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I cannot help noticing your title

A little humor at ploppy expense

Since you are an oldie here I cannot understand how doubling A7 is humorous.

To me this play cause more punch up than any others, although no doubt it is the right play.

I'd say hitting 12 vs. 6, splitting 9's, and splitting 10's cause way more trouble. At least when you split 10's you have a large bet down and that tends to shut people up, but when you hit 12 vs. 6 you always have a minimum bet down and unskilled players feel they have the right to criticize you if they bet more and they did not like the outcome of the hand.

 

[callipygian]

when you hit 12 vs. 6 you always have a minimum bet down and unskilled players feel they have the right to criticize you if they bet more and they did not like the outcome of the hand.

Just one more reason not to play negative counts!

 

[sagefr0g]

Man you must talk really fast to get all that out in the time it took to deal only several cards, even with a slow dealer! :laugh:

and too he's keeping track of the count doing all that talking and remembering what cards that came out and all, while being a diplomat as well.

 

[ihate17]

The humor to me

I cannot help noticing your title

A little humor at ploppy expense

Since you are an oldie here I cannot understand how doubling A7 is humorous.

To me this play cause more punch up than any others, although no doubt it is the right play.

The humor to me came in several forms (yes, perhaps a sick sense or unique sense of humor)
There is the fact that if the guy had doubled he would have won and that instead he was complaining because he lost. I loved the irony of all of this.

I also sadistically on occassion like to torture a loud mouth at the table if I can get away with it. More humor to me.

The doubling of A,7 is not humor just one of many basic strategy plays that can bring out the worst in some people or humorous situations for sick puppies like me.

ihate17

 

[ihate17]

I do not speak fast

Man you must talk really fast to get all that out in the time it took to deal only several cards, even with a slow dealer! :laugh:

Nope, the dealer kind of stopped or slowed perhaps to make sure it was just talk and nothing else and then finished.

ihate17

 

[nottooshabby]

Nope, the dealer kind of stopped or slowed perhaps to make sure it was just talk and nothing else and then finished.

ihate17

Wow, was it that close to escalating into something more? From what you described I don't think you could have handled the situation any better, especially if third base was being kind of a jerk.

 

[Kasi]

I also sadistically on occassion like to torture a loud mouth at the table if I can get away with it. More humor to me.
ihate17

Great job. It is fun, isn't it :grin:

Always a little surprising to me how many "high-roller" players don't even have a clue about BS.

Is the BS quality of play at high-limit table really that bad that often? Just wondering your or anyone's opinion.

I once watched a guy bet $500/round at SP21 pl;aying it like BJ and just get absolutely creamed. By the way he reacted, he actually seemed to care about losing $20K.

Things that make you go "hmmm...." lol.

 

[ihate17]

The amount of money you can lose

Kasi, as you know:
The amount of money one can lose on the blackjack table has no connection to the amount of knowledge one has of the game.
I do only a percentage of my play on high limit tables and early on I was amazed at the bad play of people with a lot of money. Today, it does not surprise me at all.

I may have mentioned here at one time about joining a threesome of 21-25 year olds who were grandfathered at $10 on what was now a $25 table when I sat down. The particular casino does not have a high limit room and this guy sits down and asks for a $20,000 marker and now they change it to a $100 table, grandfathering myself at $25 and the kids at $10. Only time I can remember this situation but the high roller was betting sometimes more than the table max for their $25 limit.

The guy was horrible. Split 2,2 vs Ace or 10 (do not remember exactly) and wins and announces that this is the way to play blackjack. Perhaps just shy of an hour later he has lost around 60 grand and leaves the table (they then lowered the limit back to $25).

Young lady of the threesome looks at me and asks, "how can he do that?" To which I say something like, it is all perspective. That much money to him might be the same as $100 to you, we just do not know. She says that she understands that but how can he play so badly for so much money?
All I can do is laugh. Brains can make money but money and brains do not necessarily go together except in the matter of keeping whatever money you happen to have.

What I do like about high limit areas is less crowded tables and generally people who will wait till the end of a shoe if asked. I also like it when I tend to be one of the small players in the pit.

ihate17

 

[jack.jackson]

Great job. It is fun, isn't it :grin:

Always a little surprising to me how many "high-roller" players don't even have a clue about BS.

Is the BS quality of play at high-limit table really that bad that often? Just wondering your or anyone's opinion.

I once watched a guy bet $500/round at SP21 pl;aying it like BJ and just get absolutely creamed. By the way he reacted, he actually seemed to care about losing $20K.

Things that make you go "hmmm...." lol.

Honestly though, if you were sitting in front of some tree trunk, who was betting a 1G a hand, "drunk and losing" and he told you not to DD your A7,,,,,Would you?

Call me Chicken, but to be honest with ya, I truly believe this would affect my decision.

 

[actuary]

Honestly though, if you were sitting in front of some tree trunk, who was betting a 1G a hand, "drunk and losing" and he told you not to DD your A7,,,,,Would you?

Call me Chicken, but to be honest with ya, I truly believe this would affect my decision.

This reminds me - about a year ago I was playing Spanish 21 and I hit my 17 to the dealer's ace, causing me to bust and the dealer to make 21, wiping out the table. No word of a lie, the guy sitting next to me shot up from his chair and slapped me right across my face. I was in complete shock! He screamed something like "look what you did, you owe me $50!" in broken English.

The weird part is that nobody did anything. The other players, even the dealer didn't say a word. Even though the slap was more shocking then painful, I had to get up from the table because I didn't want a repeat of what happened.

 

[Kasi]

Honestly though, if you were sitting in front of some tree trunk, who was betting a 1G a hand, "drunk and losing" and he told you not to DD your A7,,,,,Would you?

Call me Chicken, but to be honest with ya, I truly believe this would affect my decision.

If he starts telling me how to play, I might even double my $5 bet with 19 vs 6 just to piss him off lol.

Leave a beer sooner to make up for my lost EV :whip:

Since you asked for it,

Chicken Chicken Chicken Chicken :grin: :whip:

 

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by jack,jackson View Post
Honestly though, if you were sitting in front of some tree trunk, who was betting a 1G a hand, "drunk and losing" and he told you not to DD your A7,,,,,Would you?

Call me Chicken, but to be honest with ya, I truly believe this would affect my decision.

If he starts telling me how to play, I might even double my $5 bet with 19 vs 6 just to piss him off lol.

Leave a beer sooner to make up for my lost EV :whip:

Since you asked for it,

Chicken Chicken Chicken Chicken :grin: :whip:

lmao, this is no joke, i've been known when playing my nickles and a whale is dropping black chips, hell even green, i've been known to ask the guy, "you ccare if i,i i hhit this or hey i'll play it how ever you want.":laugh::whip:

 

[jack.jackson]

lmao, this is no joke, i've been known when playing my nickles and a whale is dropping black chips, hell even green, i've been known to ask the guy, "you ccare if i,i i hhit this or hey i'll play it how ever you want.":laugh::whip:

Ya, you could always wind up, like this poor guy here:laugh:

This reminds me - about a year ago I was playing Spanish 21 and I hit my 17 to the dealer's ace, causing me to bust and the dealer to make 21, wiping out the table. No word of a lie, the guy sitting next to me shot up from his chair and slapped me right across my face. I was in complete shock! He screamed something like "look what you did, you owe me $50!" in broken English.

The weird part is that nobody did anything. The other players, even the dealer didn't say a word. Even though the slap was more shocking then painful, I had to get up from the table because I didn't want a repeat of what happened.

:laugh: Awww maan. Next time press charges, its all on film.

 

[bjcount]

Honestly though, if you were sitting in front of some tree trunk, who was betting a 1G a hand, "drunk and losing" and he told you not to DD your A7,,,,,Would you?

Call me Chicken, but to be honest with ya, I truly believe this would affect my decision.

In HL last week sitting with 3 others. tc=-2, sitting in the middle of the table.
All three are playing with $200 min, I'm at table min $50. They have pat hands, I'm sitting with 14 vs dealers 2. I look at the other players and say I have to hit this. Swords were piercing their eye balls and I could feel the air getting warmer around me. .

PLAY MY HAND,,, CORRECTLY... I hit and pull a 7 for 21! oh yeah baby!!!

dealer pulls a...........10 and breaks!

those guys didn't say a word to me about my plays after that.

STAND YOUR GROUND FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN! or don't count at all. Play BS.

It was a good day overall.

BJC

 

[SecurityRisk]

Just one more reason not to play negative counts!

Not always possible. The count could be positive when you place your bet, but negative by the time it's your turn to play.

 

[rollem411]

The humor to me came in several forms (yes, perhaps a sick sense or unique sense of humor)
There is the fact that if the guy had doubled he would have won and that instead he was complaining because he lost. I loved the irony of all of this.

I also sadistically on occassion like to torture a loud mouth at the table if I can get away with it. More humor to me.

The doubling of A,7 is not humor just one of many basic strategy plays that can bring out the worst in some people or humorous situations for sick puppies like me.

ihate17

I thought the humor was pretty easy to pick up...and yes it was rather funny that you turned the tables on him. I really don't know how Mr. T couldn't see it.

Try doubling an A,8 with a max bet out rather than your A,7. I did this before and it was like I dropped a bomb on the table. I ended up taking another 10, and the woman next to me drew a low card on her 11 double. Man was she pissed. Everyone else plays their hands "correctly" based on BS and the dealer ends up busting anyway. Even after the dealer busted they were still nagging me on the way I played the hand. "You got a 19, I would never hit a 19". Me: "I'm greedy." End of story.

In HL last week sitting with 3 others. tc=-2, sitting in the middle of the table.
All three are playing with $200 min, I'm at table min $50. They have pat hands, I'm sitting with 14 vs dealers 2. I look at the other players and say I have to hit this. Swords were piercing their eye balls and I could feel the air getting warmer around me. .

PLAY MY HAND,,, CORRECTLY... I hit and pull a 7 for 21! oh yeah baby!!!

dealer pulls a...........10 and breaks!

those guys didn't say a word to me about my plays after that.

STAND YOUR GROUND FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN! or don't count at all. Play BS.

It was a good day overall.

BJC

I agree. Although there has been times when I'm sitting at third base and it comes to a borderline index play and I will ask the table if they mind if I take the hit. Also, is it just me or do the ploppies only get mad when you take a hit rather than stand? Many times I have seen someone stand on a play they should have hit, but no one seems to mind (EVEN IF THE DEALER DRAWS OUT)...than when someone takes a hit on something they are supposed to stand on all hell breaks loose.