Betting for the dealer

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Brillo

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Really...

the attacks on ZG are not warranted. His advice, from a self-interested standpoint, is the most sage given on this thread. I'm a new poster here and what I see is an advantage player giving advice on a general-interest board. This is the way the overwhelming majority APs think.

Personally, I never feel the need to convince others to subscribe to my view. Just because I happen to tip does not make me want to convince ZG or anyone else to do what I do. I know it hurts my wallet but it makes me feel good. I tip out of selfishness just like many people who do not tip do it out of selfishness; in my case my image is more important to me than an extra unit of EV. Many people may view this as a psychological weakness on my part and it may very well be, but whether you say you tip to help out the poor dealer, or you say 'to hell with the dealer, I won't tip because i earned that money and it is all mine'...well, there are psychological constructions behind these justifications as well.
 
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newyorkbear

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Elliot Jacobson in "The Blackjack Zone" says that a non-advantage player should tip a dealer each rotation.
Max Rubin in "Comp City" says you should tip 5-10 dollars a day.
They say that this applies to non-advantage players. That advantage players don't tip because it affects their bottom line.I hate to say it but it sounds to me like being an 'advantage' player is little more than dehumanizing people so you can justify stiffing dealers(critters) and take advantage of newcomers(ploppies).Just think how much the occasional rolling of a drunk tourist might add to your bottom line.
As a professional gambler,an "advantage player" is well aware that a dealer,a cocktail server,a valet and many other casino jobs are taxed by the IRS not just on salary,but on tips as well. Yet somehow these facts,and the rules of common courtesey don't apply to them,because if they did,it affects their bottom line.
 
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E-town-guy

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zengrifter said:
OK, because when I play blackjack its ALWAYS business, not casual. zg
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I have to agree with the Grifter. Though it might seem rude not to tip and newyorkbear makes it sound inhumane if you're doing it for a living you're forced to look at it from a different stand point. If you count cards and do it for an extra couple bucks and mostly for fun you're in a totally different boat than those who are using as a major source of income. This is probably one of those topics people have to agree to disagree and understand that both points are valid. Though like zg I'm interested to hear what some of the other pros think.

On a similar note, I deal poker and there is one guy who plays professionally or semi and never tips. He could win a huge pot and still wouldn't throw the dealer 50 cents. I used to hate him for that but now it doesn't bother me as much as I understand his perspective. For every 10 players at the table at least 8 will tip you on every pot so it works out in the end anyway, plus if you're only playing $3-6 holdem your expected EV isn't really that high in the first place.
 
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E-town-guy

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zengrifter said:
Such techniques are useless in those casinos that use a notch on the shoe or discard rack to standardize the cut, but many blackjack games still leave room for dealer-discretionary penetration.
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When you say notch on the shoe you're not referring to a cut card are you? At the casinos I attend they use a cut card to indicate the end of the shoe.
 
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LeonShuffle

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He's referring to the actual notch on the shoe where the dealer slides the cut card down into the decks. That makes it standardized where the cut card goes, so the dealer has no say.
 
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nc-tom

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Dealer Tipping

I must say I am amazed at some of the replies to this question. How could you not tip the dealers? These people make min. wage and depend on tips for a large part of there income. Also dealers took the job with the understanding that tips were to be a part of the job. It is like changing the rules in the middle of the game.Anyone who says do not tip the dealer have never worked in the service business. How you tip the dealer is up to you but please TIP THEM.Sure it might cut into your edge but that is part of the game.
 
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E-town-guy

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As I mentioned earlier I work part time as a BJ and poker dealer and have no problem with certain people not tipping. Not every player tips, same with a waitress, not every customer tips, thats just part of the job. You count on the drunks and the people who get lucky one night to tip big because these are the people who are there just for entertainment. Thats simply the way the world works, can't change it so live with it. And again I'll say we should agree to disagree.
 
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E-town-guy

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zengrifter said:
Nothing personel, ETG. I hear that poker players are the worst? zg
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No offense taken, not sure why I should take offense! :)

You could say poker players are some of the worst for tipping. A guy could win a $200 pot and tip $1. Others won't tip. You see them saving up their little 50 cent pieces to use as blinds. But since you deal any where from 30-50 hands/hour probably 7 out of 10 pots the winner will tip. So in the end it works out that the poker dealers take in a lot more tips/hr than the table games. You never know, the person who won the $200 pot might have dropped $1000 earlier that night so you can't point your finger at them.
 
Mikeaber

Mikeaber

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Tokes

Tokes, or tips.....I'm not opposed at dropping a toke every once in a while but am very opposed to the methodology imposed by the casinos in distribution of the tokes! When I leave a tip, I leave it for the dealer who is working for me at the table. It's for his or her personality, speed, accuracy (or inaccuracy) and general table manners. I do not leave it for that Pai Gow dealer or the Roulette Dealer who happens to be on the same shift and gets an equal cut!

That one aspect of token bets has turned me off a lot on making them!
 
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nc-tom

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matteotm

Different country different rules. I think the dealer taking to hole card as the last card after everyone else has played out sucks to but I would no expect them to change this because I am playing.Different house different rules. I would imagine that if you were in the US you would not tip anyone else either. When in someone elses home be respectful of there customs or dont come in.
 
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nc-tom

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Poster by ZG

zengrifter said:
Ha! What "service" does the dealer provide?? zg
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What service? Well maybe it would be better if one day they just got rid of the BJ dealers. The casinos could put in individule BJ machines like they have in the slot pits. No more paying those peskey wages and health insurance. They could offer even worst games than they do now. The game besides being about the money is also about human interaction. The tip might help this interaction go alittle smother. Otherwise we can forget the casino and just play online?
 
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Canceler

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Good point!

nc-tom said:
The game besides being about the money is also about human interaction.
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I spend all day every day looking at a computer screen, and I'll be damned if I'm going to do that at the casino, too.
 
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Cardcounter

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E-town-guy said:
No offense taken, not sure why I should take offense! :)

You could say poker players are some of the worst for tipping. A guy could win a $200 pot and tip $1. Others won't tip. You see them saving up their little 50 cent pieces to use as blinds. But since you deal any where from 30-50 hands/hour probably 7 out of 10 pots the winner will tip. So in the end it works out that the poker dealers take in a lot more tips/hr than the table games. You never know, the person who won the $200 pot might have dropped $1000 earlier that night so you can't point your finger at them.
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Hey those $1 tips add up fast, most poker dealers make more than blackjack dealers because it is customary to tip at least a $1 everytime you win a pot in poker.
If a dealer deals 50 hands an hour and gets tipped on 70 percent of them at just a $1 tip each that is $35 an hour in tips plus $6.55 in wage for $41.55 an hour and that is assuming all $1 tips which is the minimum tip so people tip more. As a blackjack dealer I only average $18-$22 an hour in total pay including wages.
 
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Cardcounter

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Betting for the dealer!

When I play blackjack I will usually make a few $1 bets for the dealer. I like to make these bets in positive counts especially if the pit boss is watching. When I win the hands on these bets I say to the pit boss that bribery works or I just had good karma!! I also say it to the other players especially when I win a hand and they lose a hand and say see bribery works. A lot of players believe this and it is good cover!
 
EasyRhino

EasyRhino

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Welcome back to the thread, two years later.

My favorite dumb saying, after placing a bet for the dealer and the hand is won:

"Now I know your price!"
 
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