Lucky Ladies is awful

DonR

Well-Known Member
#21
I never play Lucky Ladies, or any other side bet.

So one day, I was playing at this table, where almost everybody else, except me, was betting money on this side bet ($25 limit, most people betting $1-$5). And they were all insisting I should try it, just because I hit a few 20's in the last few hands. I actually thought about putting down $5 for a few hands, but still decided to stay away from it.

2 or 3 hands later, and I kid you not, I was dealt a pair of Q's of heart, and the dealer showed a BJ. Everybody started screaming at me, but I stayed calm, explaining how I never play it. I was calm on the outside, but it still hurt.

Never before, or after this, I've bet money on Lucky Ladies. In high counts, I guess you could make a few bucks, or at least break even, but with these 8D games that I can only play, those high counts, that would justify putting the money down on this side bet, are so rare.
 

Mimosine

Well-Known Member
#22
UncrownedKing said:
You may also want to play with very few other people at the table to increase your chance of getting it.
um, you could also play other people's side bet for them.... ever think of that?

constantly side bet players do this, I say sure, go right ahead, because as others have pointed out if the pit walks by, they think you're playing it. usually other people don't care either, it isn't like doubling for someone else.

if other people are only betting $1 on it, slip a nickel or quarter, or whatever you plan on betting on it underneath. If you get too carried away the pit may stop you from doing this, but that hasn't happened to me yet. a few casinos don't let people bet on other peoples' sidebets. maybe that's why they are going bankrupt!
 

hawkeye

Well-Known Member
#24
That casinos near me are hawks about not letting people bet other people's lucky ladies bets. I've always thought it was strange, but they stop it immediately.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#25
I heard a PC explain their reasoning - if someone else plays your spot, you have the right to keep the money and they can't do anything about it. They want to avoid confrontations like that.

Just last week, I saw someone offer to play a double down on another player's hand. The player won the hand, said "bathroom break, hold my spot," scooped up the chips and never came back!
 

callipygian

Well-Known Member
#26
Mimosine said:
I could be mistaken, but with KO i was always playing it around RC=6 which equals a HiLo TC of ~5.

For UBZ I play it around the same HiLo TC equivalent of 5. maybe i'm playing it a little early, though computing a HiLo TC from a UBZ RC isn't exact depending on current depth.
Around TC +5 is where the bet becomes EV positive.

Around TC +7 is where the bet becomes sufficiently positive to warrant a risk-adjusted bet for most bankrolls.

That probably explains the difference in where people start to play it.
 
#27
with hi-lo

hi-lo i always started to mess around and put a pink chip on it at +3 for fun cause i figure who cares its a pink ,but usually i wont play it at all till about a +5 TC. I believe that is the point in which it can become profitable,if you wait till +7 your defenetly safe but wont get much of a chance to play it in a shoe gamelol. I have seen threads on this site in which there was a specific counting method for the lucky ladies, for all you team guys out there or partners you can have ur buddy count the lucky ladies and you keep the regular count and help each other to make the bets. I believe it was something like a queen of hearts was a -7 or something like that but it seemed like it was pretty accurate, Sonny could prob point you to it he always has the good links.
 
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#29
Mimosine said:
You need a TC of roughly 5, not 8. It depends on the paytable, and if you have been keeping track of QoHs.

Last trip to vegas I made a Killing on this sidebet. At one house I hit a few of the tiers 7 times in two shoes, I hit the sidebet over 50% of the time I played it.

at one house, where spreading is almost impossible at my level, i made several units in less than 2 hours.

10% of my winning on my last trip came from this sidebet.

YMMV.
Its great - I hit QQh 4x in 90-days w/max bet, twice in a single week at SlotsFun - but only hints at how good Royal20s was. zg
 
#30
Sonny point us in the right direction

Will one of the administrators please put up a link to the lucky ladies counting method. Its driving me nuts now, ive been scrolling the archives for a while and cannot find it.
 
#32
takinfromindians97 said:
Will one of the administrators please put up a link to the lucky ladies counting method. Its driving me nuts now, ive been scrolling the archives for a while and cannot find it.
It probably doesn't make sense for most people to use a special count for LL being the limits are so low.

If you're interested you can try this one:

A= -1
X= -3
9= -1
2-8= +2

It gives you great correlation on the LL bet (and a few other sidebets, and insurance) and isn't terrible for betting or playing either.
 
#33
Automatic Monkey said:
It probably doesn't make sense for most people to use a special count for LL being the limits are so low.

If you're interested you can try this one:

A= -1
X= -3
9= -1
2-8= +2

It gives you great correlation on the LL bet (and a few other sidebets, and insurance) and isn't terrible for betting or playing either.

I have seen a different one on here that was specific to cards like the queen of hearts. (the one i saw had the queen of hearts as like a -5 or something.
 
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takinfromindians97 said:
I have seen a different one on here that was specific to cards like the queen of hearts. (the one i saw had the queen of hearts as like a -5 or something.
That makes sense on a DD game where there are only two QH, but you only have to count the first QH because if you see one you can never get two. On 6-8 deck games there are enough QH in there it probably doesn't matter, especially being the part of your return that comes from those hands is small and has a large standard deviation. When you do a CVData sim and eliminate the high value hands that involve QH, you can see that the strike point without them isn't that much higher.
 

rogue1

Well-Known Member
#35
I have never placed a Lucky Ladies bet

It has happened to me twice that I was dealt two Queen of hearts while the dealer was dealt a blackjack-and I saw it happen to a player sitting to my left once. In all three cases no Lucky Ladies bets had been placed. All three were in 6 deck shoe games. According to Arnold Snyder the chances of being dealt two Queen of hearts at the same time as the dealer getting a Blackjack in a six deck shoe game are almost 70,000 to 1. Isn't the casino all heart when they payoff 1000 to 1 on 70,000 to 1 odds! You can read what Arnold has to say about the Lucky Ladies bet in his book The Big Book of Blackjack.
 
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#36
rogue1 said:
It has happened to me twice that I was dealt two Queen of hearts while the dealer was dealt a blackjack-and I saw it happen to a player sitting to my left once. In all three cases no Lucky Ladies bets had been placed. All three were in 6 deck shoe games. According to Arnold Snyder the chances of being dealt two Queen of hearts at the same time as the dealer getting a Blackjack in a six deck shoe game are almost 70,000 to 1. Isn't the casino all heart when they payoff 1000 to 1 on 70,000 to 1 odds! You can read what Arnold has to say about the Lucky Ladies bet in his book The Big Book of Blackjack.
When the count is +10 the odds are 800-1 instead of 70,000-1 or something like that. zg
 
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