Man, this "counting" stuff is hard.

Kasi

Well-Known Member
EasyRhino said:
And you make an good point about RoR. I had, not conscoiusly, been "compartmentalizing" the discrepancies betwen textbook play and whatever I was doing. I mean... I'd be happy with merely subtracting the tipping and cover cost from the theoretical win rate and RoR. But that's not right. Since the tipping and cover costs are coming "off the top" as I'm playing, they're going to interact with win rate, variance, and RoR, in ways that I don't fully understand, or even know how to model, but are almost definitely more serious.

Interestingly, the different in theoretical win rate in DD games with different penetrations (50%-80%) isn't as big as I would have thought. However, the RoR differences are more dramatic.
Aw heck - if that above post means you won't be updating us as often. But, if you're happy/relieved, I'm happy for you. Maybe things happen for a reason even if we don't understand it.

Anyway, as far as tipping goes, I guess just recording gross and net wins would go along way toward seeing it's effect on win rate. I always just count it as a regular-life expense like I'd tip a waitress at dinner. In effect that way it's always in the bankroll. I guess if you're not really willing to add it back in to original roll, it definitely would effect ROR.

As for cover-betting ideally you want it already built in to your sim. If not, at least you know how much you've been doing it or not and make a best -guess. No idea about Powersim but I think Norm's stuff can handle stuff like that.

Another thing that can throw things off, since that's $93 per 100 hands assumed to be an hours play, if all you eventually know is "I played 100 hours" you might think you should have won 9300. But if you only really played 75 hands an hour, for the reasons like you mentioned, you should have only won $7K. Then if you're tipping $20 an hour and actually won $5000 and think it's only $50/an hour, maybe it's actually closer to $70 and you are not as far off as it may seem. So guessing how many hands played in a session is a good way to go. Can't hurt to have both.

Try keeping the ROR's the same in those DD comparisons of poor to good pens. Use the same game, spread, etc. I think you'll find there's a big difference in win rates and probably your min unit has increased at the higher pens.

Not sure why one would choose to play at all different kinds of ROR as opposed to betting roll for a game to the same risk you're comfortable playing at.

As far as swings go , guess it was on the internet, that you wonder if I really actually played lol, that the only difference between you and me is you say I lost x in a session betting something. I was more like I lost 25 units in 200 hands or 2000, whatever, hands and how likely is that. I mean at least I knew I was 1 in 500 unlucky. At one joint, after about 7700 hands, down 400+ flat-units I was approaching 1 in 10000 unlucky and beginning to wonder when bad luck ends and a crooked game begins. But of course much easier on the internet since I always knew how many hands I played nad could always figure out a flat-unit result even if I varied bets - much harder in real-life. No way was I going to play against a computer with no way of figuring if they were cheating. I was sure they probably would be. So that's how all this boring bulls*it of comparing actual to expected began lol. Fear is a good motivator lol and I was scared to death.

Good luck. Retiring as a winner ain't all bad!
 
EasyRhino said:
...After I realized that my car wasn't going to be set on fire on sovreign Indian territory, my main feeling was, strangely, one of relief. I was coming off an increased rate of play, with an increased number of hours and sessions packed over the previous few weeks, all trying to juggle them with my real job and social schedule. With the commuting, it was starting to feel like a job. Add in the bankroll fluctuations, and knowing in my heart that a backoff was inevitable, and it was becoming a grind. Checking that casino off my list suddently freed up a bunch of time in my week, so that was pretty a pretty nice feeling. Almost like the feeling you get when you start a vacation.

Probably just a symptom of burnout.
Sounds to me like you need a change of venue. The games local to you are awful. Only one I consider playable and that just barely (and I suspect it is the place you were just thrown out of.)

You mentioned before that you were playing a game with a SCORE around 40 and any west-of-the-Rockies person can do way better than that. For an under-$200 R/T plane ticket there are many games you have access to with SCOREs over 100 and you now have the bankroll and experience to exploit them.

So I'd recommend you spend some time with:

  • a current copy of CBJN
  • your simulator
  • your calendar
  • kayak.com

and plan an EV-based adventure!
 

bj bob

Well-Known Member
Automatic Monkey said:
Sounds to me like you need a change of venue. The games local to you are awful. Only one I consider playable and that just barely (and I suspect it is the place you were just thrown out of.)

You mentioned before that you were playing a game with a SCORE around 40 and any west-of-the-Rockies person can do way better than that. For an under-$200 R/T plane ticket there are many games you have access to with SCOREs over 100 and you now have the bankroll and experience to exploit them.

So I'd recommend you spend some time with:

  • a current copy of CBJN
  • your simulator
  • your calendar
  • kayak.com

and plan an EV-based adventure!
And add to that list:

1). Renewal of your River Club card
2). Moutain bike
3). Paiute Dictionary
4). Water skis
5). Stetson and Tony Lama's for the Alamo
6). Member's Club card at the Happy Ranch
7). SD, DD BS cards for h17 along with chart of PROPER BET SPREADS
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
Okay, kind of non-update. Had two "burnout-friendly" sessions. They were short, because I didn't feel like wasting time, and aggressive, because after doing some sim work, I realized I had some room to stretch my bet spread both upward and downward without any particular downside to RoR. One session had a medium loss ($1000), the other had a medium win ($1300), so I guess I came out a couple hundred ahead, which was over EV, plus the hustled comps.

However, I did make two mistakes this week which were notable, at least to me:

- I played an index that I didn't know. I was confronted with a 16v9 hit/stand decision in a pretty darn high count. I thought "oh, obvious index play", and stood (actually won the hand, go figure). It was only upon return that I realized there was no such play on my list, I had conflated it with 15v10, or 15v9 (surrender), or something. But standing 16v9 is measurably higher (in hi-lo it's a +5 play) Anyway, it turns out that I did make the play at either the right running count, or only one off from it. But I made the right play for the wrong reasons.

- I messed up some comps. I was accumulating some slot freeplay at one casino over the period of a couple weeks. When I finally sat down to use it, it was gone. Turns out the the freeplay expires after only a couple of days. I really should have asked about that, probably lost about $50-$80 of accumulated freeplay. I feel dumber about this mistake than I did the first one.
 
Practice

EasyRhino:

Just like anything that is worthwhile it takes practice, practice, practice. Just don't get discouraged. One of these sessions, you will be amazed at how it all falls in place. It may not even be a winning session. But if you didn't lose the count all day, weekend whatever, you are on your way.

Practice at home is very important and some of the practice suggestions posted were quite good.

Back when I learned to count, every Vegas casino had a loud music lounge near the BJ tables. So when I practiced at home, I learned to count to the beat of music. I love it when I can find a loud casino and tap hands/fingers to music while B'S' ing with my wife. Not many pit bosses think you can do that successfully.

good luck
 

bluewhale

Well-Known Member
wtf? have you read any of this thread?? clearly EZ knows how to count and i'm sure he does keep perfect count most of the time. hes been doing this a long time. he knows what needs to be done and the value of practicing.
the problems hes going through are faced by a lot of ppl who can count perfectly including me. mainly random situational problems based on unpredictable conditions and circumstances. but yes. i agree that even these he will get used to after more exposure.

duffytoo said:
EasyRhino:

Just like anything that is worthwhile it takes practice, practice, practice. Just don't get discouraged. One of these sessions, you will be amazed at how it all falls in place. It may not even be a winning session. But if you didn't lose the count all day, weekend whatever, you are on your way.

Practice at home is very important and some of the practice suggestions posted were quite good.

Back when I learned to count, every Vegas casino had a loud music lounge near the BJ tables. So when I practiced at home, I learned to count to the beat of music. I love it when I can find a loud casino and tap hands/fingers to music while B'S' ing with my wife. Not many pit bosses think you can do that successfully.

good luck
 

bj bob

Well-Known Member
More practice!?

Easy has probably put in more table hours than 90% of the the folks on this board over the past few years, any more time on the Reservation and he'll probably qualify to wear a headdress and smoke the peace pipe at the Tribal Council.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
bluewhale said:
clearly EZ knows how to count and i'm sure he does keep perfect count most of the time. hes been doing this a long time.
the problems hes going through are faced by a lot of ppl who can count perfectly including me. mainly random situational problems based on unpredictable conditions and circumstances. but yes. i agree that even these he will get used to after more exposure.
Hey I was just thrilled to see he maybe used a sim and changed a bet spread because of it.

Not a doubt in my mind his counting is basically perfect.

Hate it when those "random situational problems based on unpredictable conditions and circumstances" ruin a card-counter's expectation lol.
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
Again, not a lot of excitement in Rhinoville. Business trips kept me gone a lot (in non-gaming areas, even!). Played a little locally, maybe like five sessions scattered around. Couple small losses, couple modest wins, and one unpleasant loss ($3200). The wins came pretty close to recouping the loss, but not quite.

Bankroll snapshot: still a little under $35k. An online cashout of a couple hundred bucks effectively let the BR tread water. Incidentally some progress was made in building up the online e-wallet over the last couple months (a few grand, mainly by grinding out smallish bonuses). However, Generally Accepted Advantage Player Accounting Principles (GAPAP) don't allow me to officially add the funds to my BR until a successful cashout hits my bank account.

What was notable about the sessions:
- They were choosier. I pretty much only when to the casino if I thought conditions would be minimally acceptable and the comps waiting for me would at least pay for gas. And in California, that's a big comp.
- They were short. Mainly because of real-life time constraints, but also because I didn't care and got bored.
- The bet spread was more aggressive. One shoe had me go from 1x$25 to 2x$250. Teehee. Of course, the jumps aren't all at once, sometimes it takes a while for the "system" to allow the bets to get cranked that high. I figure any concerns of heat are ameliorated because the sessions are shorter (see above) and because I don't care (see above).
- Tipping was ratcheted down, some. Let's take a "baseline" tip of a red chip every time you get a blackjack. There's a lot of ways to cheat at that. No tip on even money, no tip on second BJ from a dealer, tipping with smaller-denom chips when available, no tipping on min bets, etc.

I've also got a gambling trip planned next week which should be interesting.
 

rukus

Well-Known Member
EasyRhino said:
Again, not a lot of excitement in Rhinoville.
.....
- They were short. Mainly because of real-life time constraints, but also because I didn't care and got bored.
...
I figure any concerns of heat are ameliorated because the sessions are shorter (see above) and because I don't care (see above).
Hey ER, not sure if was just me reading this post a certain way but the fact that you mentioned you "don't care" twice in one post does not sound like the usual rhino we know and love. I hope it's not because the BR has stalled or dropped some over the last several months. If you're truly losing interest in BJ that is one thing, but if you're just down about the BR, that is another altogether. We can cure the second one here! Don't get sloppy or settle for mediocre games just because your attitude has become a little cynical due to the BR barely treading water. You never know when it'll turn around and you don't want to be backed off from any places when that starts to happen!

My BR treaded water for the entire last half of '07 without a single sizable win! Finally exploded again early '08, and not a session too soon. I'm sure others here have gone a few months when they just couldn't buy a good win. Just keep plugging away, keep that rhino head up, but most of all, STAY DISCIPLINED and keep playing. Just be glad you have a thick rhino skin to deal with the highs and lows of the game.

Good cards to you,
Rukus

ps - if i misinterpreted any of your post about how you've been feeling about this whole venture recently (which is always likely with me), then just ignore mine ;)
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
Laughlin, baby, Laughlin.

Well, that was interesting, I guess.

A while back, I got an marketing offer for a comped trip to Laughlin. You may have a hunch as to the identity of the corporation, but let's refer to it as The Corporation That Shall Not Be Named (TCTSNBN). It seemed like a great deal, as it included both a charter air flight, and the hotel stay. But the big gotcha was that I had recently been barred from another TCTSNBN property. I accepted, despite the chance for an awkward reception. Combined with being a little burned out on playing, burned out on travel in general, and going on the trip alone, I was dreading this trip before I left, but I was already committed (and it would have cost me a lot of money to cancel the free trip), so I guessed it was time to make the donuts.

It was the first time I've flown on one of these junket/charter type trips, and it was sort of interesting. The charter airline was borrowing another airlines checkin area and gates. Seat assignments were handled by TCTSNBN, not the airline, and I had to sign a waiver when checking in affirming that I was not required to gamble. And the Bullhead City, AZ, airport is so tiny, one of the terminal buildings is a temporary shelter. However, if you're a road warrior and don't generally like flying with leisure travelers (as I don't), then a casino plane is the worst.

I didn't really want to find out what would happen if I tried bopping around the table games with my tainted player's card. So, when I arrived, I scoped out the slot machines, and found an abandoned players card (incidentally, I also found two machines which had been abandoned with credits in them, and as I watched the machines, people returned a few minutes later). So, as far as TCTSNBN was concerned, Mr. Easy Rhino completely stiffed them on this trip. But Mr. Mahmoud Rashid Atiq had a lot of unexpected table games play. Crisis averted. I pity Mr. Atiq's confusion when he looks at his win/loss statement for the year.

Laughlin is a strange place. If you haven't been there, take the Colorado river, put it next to a gravel pit, then add casinos. It ain't pretty. All nine casinos are in a little "strip" about two miles long. It's not as hypercompact as downtown Vegas or Reno, but more tightly bunched than the Strip. I ended up doing a lot of walking (which wasn't all bad). Also, Harrah's is a bit seperated an up on a hill, so that's a minor hike to get there, going from there to Riverside at the other end of the strip was about a 40 minute stroll for me. Plus, Laughlin is usually hot as hell, but it was unseasonably temperate when I was there. Laughlin's also full of old people. On a weekday, I think I was the only person in town not collecting social security benefits. On the weekend, the place filled up with families and kids.

Laughlin's also got a hodgepodge of different games available. Single deck with Reno rules (Riverside), single deck with Sparks rules (Pioneer, Nugget), a lot of double deck, and shoe games. It's got pretty much anything you could want, as long as you aren't looking for S17 or DAS (midshoe entry or spreading are often restricted on pitch games too). It's also quite the low-roller joint. Most places have a decent selection of $5 tables (some $3), and the high limit tables are $10-$25. Maxes are usually $500-$1000. There are no "high limit parlors". The amazing thing to me about laughlin is that the pentration was as such a consistently decent level. The SD games seemed to be RO6, and the DD games were usually at least 75%. Even the "bad" DD penetration (like from a suspicious dealer) was about 66%, which is, alas, still better than many other places I've played. And one double deck game that I got creamed on featured the dealer inserting the cut card so far (>85%) that I nearly wept.

I learned that in Laughlin, if you sit down at a table, place bets over $100, and don't want to be rated, you're going to attract a lot of attention, generally getting at least three solicitations to be rated within the first ten minutes. My sessions were very short, only one went over 45 minutes, and some were as short at 20 minutes. Even then, I encountered:
- 7 calls to surveillance
- 2 whispered instructions by the pit to the dealer
- One dealer cutting pen on his own volition
- Two borderline ad hominem insults from pit critters
- One bitter dealer
- One PC loudly announcing to another "... and I've already called surveillance on this guy."

I felt like a bull in a damn china shop. And you know, it was sort of fun, because I didn't really care too much what the casino would do to me. Except for the rude comments, those kind of made me a sad panda.

Playing rated tended to tamp down the initial level of suspicion a lot.

I also encountered with a few funny old-timer dealers, some amusing drunks, an incredibly polite high-rolling foreign couple, and more families with baby strollers than you can shake a stick at.

I also had a few personal firsts:

- Spotted a reliably flashing dealer at three card poker. I was very excited, and played for a while, (this was the first time I've seen it). Upon later consultation with Professor Monkey, I realized that, if the bets were dropped to a reasonably safe levle to account for the variance in the game, that it gets incredibly unattractive from a dollars per hour standpoint. But I'm glad I was able to do it just on general principal.

- Played some positive-expectation video poker for the first time. Three joints in town have full pay deuces wild (100.7% payout, only on quarter machines). Not very appealing from a $/hr or variance perspective. And I was only able to play about an hour before I got crushingly bored.

- Saw Riverside doing a weird thing with their single deck shuffle. Instead of putting the cards in a discard tray, the dealer just flipped the cards over to the bottom of the deck. After dealing the requisite number of rounds, the dealer would flip the cards again, and reshuffle. It made it harder to visually track the number of hands played, but since it was single deck, it didn't matter much.

- Saw Harrah's doing a strange thing with their doubledeck game: ASM shuflfes cards, player cuts the deck, dealer inserts cut card at a seemingly awesome level (<20 cards), but then takes those cards and burns them all. Then deals towards the bottom of the remaining cards, deciding to shuffle "whenever". It didn't really affect a count game, except for hurting peneration, but it might throw a wrench some advanced techniques. Strangely, I don't think Harrah's did this on all their games.

Oh, and I may have stumbled into another counter at one of my tables. Fairly serious guy, doing some bet ramping, but at lower amounts than I was. Fairly inconspicuous, and may not have been using a big enough spread on double deck games (or, his act was just much better than mine... in which case I was awesome cover for him). I didn't think much of him while playing, but only got suspicious after the fact.

I made two notable mistakes:

- I committed the blackjack war crime of sitting down at a 6:5 table. I was at a crowded unfamiliar casino, looked around, spotted an empty pitch table. But something felt wrong, I just couldn't figure what. I asked the dealer "Is this a regular blackjack game, no gimmicks?" she said "Nope." Then when I started to buy in for a couple hundred bucks, she said "You know, blackjack only pays 6:5, that's fine if you're betting $5, but you might want to try one of the other tables." Man, I'm such a noob.

- At one place, on Day One, I played unrated, and really aroused the attention of a particular floorman, including a probable call to surveillance. Day Two, a different shift, I went ahead and let myself be cajoled into being rated, and there didn't seem to be as much heat. Day Three, the suspicious floorman is there, and like a donk, I hand him my new player's card. But he's still hyper vigilant, and sweated my game hard. I'm not sure what I was thinking, I may have already burned myself out at that joint. Fortunately, I'm not too broken up about it.

As for the financial results, I had some swings up and down, none were too large because my sessions were so short. But at the end, the negative sessions won, and the trip finished $-1200. Considering that's smaller than many individual session results, it wasn't too big a deal. On the upside, my total travel expenses for three days were only $46. Bankroll snapshot: under $35k (this is a drop of only a couple hundred since last time, as I received two smallish online cashouts a couple weeks ago)

As for the other apects of the trip, it was tiring, boring in parts, lonely, and stressful. On the upside, it was educational, occasionally amusing, not as tiring as I expected, and I didn't get kicked out of my hotel in the midlde of the night, or thrown in jail.

So I guess it was better than expected.
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
great~

As always a great read Rhino, as a i noob i get so much out of your posts.

The interesting thing for me was your last part, abour boredom, lonely, tiring and stressful, perhaps there is a way to jazz and liven up your trip?

How do you guys counteract this, when it starts to become a chore?
 

mjbballar23

Well-Known Member
re

RingyDingy said:
As always a great read Rhino, as a i noob i get so much out of your posts.

The interesting thing for me was your last part, abour boredom, lonely, tiring and stressful, perhaps there is a way to jazz and liven up your trip?

How do you guys counteract this, when it starts to become a chore?
Having a teammate/s makes things much more fun in my opinion and ALOT less lonely.
 

mdlbj

Well-Known Member
I got backed off at a MGM property in Vegas.. Im in a shizz hole. Son of a.... I knew this would not last long.

But at the same time, we were pushing it to the limit. And what a time it was.. wOot!!!

EasyRhino said:
Laughlin, baby, Laughlin.

Well, that was interesting, I guess.

A while back, I got an marketing offer for a comped trip to Laughlin. You may have a hunch as to the identity of the corporation, but let's refer to it as The Corporation That Shall Not Be Named (TCTSNBN). It seemed like a great deal, as it included both a charter air flight, and the hotel stay. But the big gotcha was that I had recently been barred from another TCTSNBN property. I accepted, despite the chance for an awkward reception. Combined with being a little burned out on playing, burned out on travel in general, and going on the trip alone, I was dreading this trip before I left, but I was already committed (and it would have cost me a lot of money to cancel the free trip), so I guessed it was time to make the donuts.

It was the first time I've flown on one of these junket/charter type trips, and it was sort of interesting. The charter airline was borrowing another airlines checkin area and gates. Seat assignments were handled by TCTSNBN, not the airline, and I had to sign a waiver when checking in affirming that I was not required to gamble. And the Bullhead City, AZ, airport is so tiny, one of the terminal buildings is a temporary shelter. However, if you're a road warrior and don't generally like flying with leisure travelers (as I don't), then a casino plane is the worst.

I didn't really want to find out what would happen if I tried bopping around the table games with my tainted player's card. So, when I arrived, I scoped out the slot machines, and found an abandoned players card (incidentally, I also found two machines which had been abandoned with credits in them, and as I watched the machines, people returned a few minutes later). So, as far as TCTSNBN was concerned, Mr. Easy Rhino completely stiffed them on this trip. But Mr. Mahmoud Rashid Atiq had a lot of unexpected table games play. Crisis averted. I pity Mr. Atiq's confusion when he looks at his win/loss statement for the year.

Laughlin is a strange place. If you haven't been there, take the Colorado river, put it next to a gravel pit, then add casinos. It ain't pretty. All nine casinos are in a little "strip" about two miles long. It's not as hypercompact as downtown Vegas or Reno, but more tightly bunched than the Strip. I ended up doing a lot of walking (which wasn't all bad). Also, Harrah's is a bit seperated an up on a hill, so that's a minor hike to get there, going from there to Riverside at the other end of the strip was about a 40 minute stroll for me. Plus, Laughlin is usually hot as hell, but it was unseasonably temperate when I was there. Laughlin's also full of old people. On a weekday, I think I was the only person in town not collecting social security benefits. On the weekend, the place filled up with families and kids.

Laughlin's also got a hodgepodge of different games available. Single deck with Reno rules (Riverside), single deck with Sparks rules (Pioneer, Nugget), a lot of double deck, and shoe games. It's got pretty much anything you could want, as long as you aren't looking for S17 or DAS (midshoe entry or spreading are often restricted on pitch games too). It's also quite the low-roller joint. Most places have a decent selection of $5 tables (some $3), and the high limit tables are $10-$25. Maxes are usually $500-$1000. There are no "high limit parlors". The amazing thing to me about laughlin is that the pentration was as such a consistently decent level. The SD games seemed to be RO6, and the DD games were usually at least 75%. Even the "bad" DD penetration (like from a suspicious dealer) was about 66%, which is, alas, still better than many other places I've played. And one double deck game that I got creamed on featured the dealer inserting the cut card so far (>85%) that I nearly wept.

I learned that in Laughlin, if you sit down at a table, place bets over $100, and don't want to be rated, you're going to attract a lot of attention, generally getting at least three solicitations to be rated within the first ten minutes. My sessions were very short, only one went over 45 minutes, and some were as short at 20 minutes. Even then, I encountered:
- 7 calls to surveillance
- 2 whispered instructions by the pit to the dealer
- One dealer cutting pen on his own volition
- Two borderline ad hominem insults from pit critters
- One bitter dealer
- One PC loudly announcing to another "... and I've already called surveillance on this guy."

I felt like a bull in a damn china shop. And you know, it was sort of fun, because I didn't really care too much what the casino would do to me. Except for the rude comments, those kind of made me a sad panda.

Playing rated tended to tamp down the initial level of suspicion a lot.

I also encountered with a few funny old-timer dealers, some amusing drunks, an incredibly polite high-rolling foreign couple, and more families with baby strollers than you can shake a stick at.

I also had a few personal firsts:

- Spotted a reliably flashing dealer at three card poker. I was very excited, and played for a while, (this was the first time I've seen it). Upon later consultation with Professor Monkey, I realized that, if the bets were dropped to a reasonably safe levle to account for the variance in the game, that it gets incredibly unattractive from a dollars per hour standpoint. But I'm glad I was able to do it just on general principal.

- Played some positive-expectation video poker for the first time. Three joints in town have full pay deuces wild (100.7% payout, only on quarter machines). Not very appealing from a $/hr or variance perspective. And I was only able to play about an hour before I got crushingly bored.

- Saw Riverside doing a weird thing with their single deck shuffle. Instead of putting the cards in a discard tray, the dealer just flipped the cards over to the bottom of the deck. After dealing the requisite number of rounds, the dealer would flip the cards again, and reshuffle. It made it harder to visually track the number of hands played, but since it was single deck, it didn't matter much.

- Saw Harrah's doing a strange thing with their doubledeck game: ASM shuflfes cards, player cuts the deck, dealer inserts cut card at a seemingly awesome level (<20 cards), but then takes those cards and burns them all. Then deals towards the bottom of the remaining cards, deciding to shuffle "whenever". It didn't really affect a count game, except for hurting peneration, but it might throw a wrench some advanced techniques. Strangely, I don't think Harrah's did this on all their games.

Oh, and I may have stumbled into another counter at one of my tables. Fairly serious guy, doing some bet ramping, but at lower amounts than I was. Fairly inconspicuous, and may not have been using a big enough spread on double deck games (or, his act was just much better than mine... in which case I was awesome cover for him). I didn't think much of him while playing, but only got suspicious after the fact.

I made two notable mistakes:

- I committed the blackjack war crime of sitting down at a 6:5 table. I was at a crowded unfamiliar casino, looked around, spotted an empty pitch table. But something felt wrong, I just couldn't figure what. I asked the dealer "Is this a regular blackjack game, no gimmicks?" she said "Nope." Then when I started to buy in for a couple hundred bucks, she said "You know, blackjack only pays 6:5, that's fine if you're betting $5, but you might want to try one of the other tables." Man, I'm such a noob.

- At one place, on Day One, I played unrated, and really aroused the attention of a particular floorman, including a probable call to surveillance. Day Two, a different shift, I went ahead and let myself be cajoled into being rated, and there didn't seem to be as much heat. Day Three, the suspicious floorman is there, and like a donk, I hand him my new player's card. But he's still hyper vigilant, and sweated my game hard. I'm not sure what I was thinking, I may have already burned myself out at that joint. Fortunately, I'm not too broken up about it.

As for the financial results, I had some swings up and down, none were too large because my sessions were so short. But at the end, the negative sessions won, and the trip finished $-1200. Considering that's smaller than many individual session results, it wasn't too big a deal. On the upside, my total travel expenses for three days were only $46. Bankroll snapshot: under $35k (this is a drop of only a couple hundred since last time, as I received two smallish online cashouts a couple weeks ago)

As for the other apects of the trip, it was tiring, boring in parts, lonely, and stressful. On the upside, it was educational, occasionally amusing, not as tiring as I expected, and I didn't get kicked out of my hotel in the midlde of the night, or thrown in jail.

So I guess it was better than expected.
 

jimbiggs

Well-Known Member
mdlbj said:
I got backed off at a MGM property in Vegas.. Im in a shizz hole. Son of a.... I knew this would not last long.

But at the same time, we were pushing it to the limit. And what a time it was.. wOot!!!
Did you mean to post this in your own thread or ?
 
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