New to counting, my story
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Continued research and looked into several BJA stories and nearly every story they have shows a member starting on a very low bankroll.... also I tried playing tonight and tested wonging just a bit. I wonged out at a running count below 0 just to get a feel for it. Decent results for the night.
What do you guys think of these low bankroll stories on their site?
What do you guys think of these low bankroll stories on their site?
I am one of those guys. Started out with $4300. Looking back I have no idea how I didn't bust out somewhere along the line in the early going. I know of a number of current players that have a similar story of starting out very underfunded with a small bankroll. At first I was thinking how can there be a number of players with similar stories. 
My conclusion was that these are the stories we are hearing. But for every one of us, there are 100's of players that started out underfunded and went bust and most of them probably gave up the game right then, so we just aren't hearing those accounts.
My conclusion was that these are the stories we are hearing. But for every one of us, there are 100's of players that started out underfunded and went bust and most of them probably gave up the game right then, so we just aren't hearing those accounts.UPDATE
so I did some more research and found plenty of cases of people making smaller bankrolls work. I'm trying a few different things. Took 500 out of my bankroll for a purchase and lost another 500 at the tables on Thursday.
Friday:
Night started slow, tried to wong out at a true -1 and ended up being down 600. Played 6 deck with a 1-12 spread at $10.
Tc1: 10, TC2: 25, TC3: 75, TC4: 100, TC5+: 120
Saturday:
Played a little 6 deck as well as double deck. Started out at 6 deck and was down 300 then decided to play double deck. Won back what I lost and was dead even to what I started with on Friday which was 3k. So +1100.
TC1: 25, TC2:50, TC3:75, TC4: 125, TC5:150
Sunday:
Played double deck again and ended up making 1k.
Decided to use a slightly higher spread.
TC1:25, TC2: 50, TC3: 75, TC4: 150, TC5+: 200
Today:
Went to a different casino and made another 1k in double deck. I upped my spreads again and this is the most risk I'm comfortable with at the moment. I'm aware this is a very high amount of risk
TC1: 25, TC2: 50, TC3:120, TC4:200, TC5+:300
So I'm sitting at 5100 for my total bankroll now. I really enjoy double deck and like playing with just me or 1-2 players. I wong out no matter what on double deck at a true -1 which DD has no mid shoe entry. I'm fine with the risk, bankroll is replenishable. I appreciate the advice and continue to love hearing the feedback and stories. I know my new spreads are a bit wonky, feel free to critique =)
so I did some more research and found plenty of cases of people making smaller bankrolls work. I'm trying a few different things. Took 500 out of my bankroll for a purchase and lost another 500 at the tables on Thursday.
Friday:
Night started slow, tried to wong out at a true -1 and ended up being down 600. Played 6 deck with a 1-12 spread at $10.
Tc1: 10, TC2: 25, TC3: 75, TC4: 100, TC5+: 120
Saturday:
Played a little 6 deck as well as double deck. Started out at 6 deck and was down 300 then decided to play double deck. Won back what I lost and was dead even to what I started with on Friday which was 3k. So +1100.
TC1: 25, TC2:50, TC3:75, TC4: 125, TC5:150
Sunday:
Played double deck again and ended up making 1k.
Decided to use a slightly higher spread.
TC1:25, TC2: 50, TC3: 75, TC4: 150, TC5+: 200
Today:
Went to a different casino and made another 1k in double deck. I upped my spreads again and this is the most risk I'm comfortable with at the moment. I'm aware this is a very high amount of risk
TC1: 25, TC2: 50, TC3:120, TC4:200, TC5+:300
So I'm sitting at 5100 for my total bankroll now. I really enjoy double deck and like playing with just me or 1-2 players. I wong out no matter what on double deck at a true -1 which DD has no mid shoe entry. I'm fine with the risk, bankroll is replenishable. I appreciate the advice and continue to love hearing the feedback and stories. I know my new spreads are a bit wonky, feel free to critique =)
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Drake or anyone else, I'm curious how you got such a nice image of CVCX to post on the forum. Is there a way to export directly to a web site? Please tell us how you managed to post this image.
I don't know if you know this, but the custom bets in the column with the white background next to the optimal bet column with the green background can be changed. So for example by only playing plus one true count or greater the blue custom bet at the bottom of the screen will change. Risk of ruin will go down etc.
I don't know if you know this, but the custom bets in the column with the white background next to the optimal bet column with the green background can be changed. So for example by only playing plus one true count or greater the blue custom bet at the bottom of the screen will change. Risk of ruin will go down etc.
KewlJ said:
I am one of those guys. Started out with $4300. Looking back I have no idea how I didn't bust out somewhere along the line in the early going. I know of a number of current players that have a similar story of starting out very underfunded with a small bankroll. At first I was thinking how can there be a number of players with similar stories. My conclusion was that these are the stories we are hearing. But for every one of us, there are 100's of players that started out underfunded and went bust and most of them probably gave up the game right then, so we just aren't hearing those accounts.
My conclusion was that these are the stories we are hearing. But for every one of us, there are 100's of players that started out underfunded and went bust and most of them probably gave up the game right then, so we just aren't hearing those accounts.
Edit: I would like to apologize to Don for all of the egregious spelling errors in this post. lol
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Ok, some comments about this thread. First when I comment last week (back on page 1) my focus was on the ramp, in particular that initial first jump, similarly to what Don commented on. Admittedly, I sort of glossed over the RoR (very high) based on the information provided. And THAT is a very big thing to have glossed over. Luckily some other members like BoSox were all over that, sounding the alarm.
On the numbers you have mention, you are severely overbetting your bankroll. The rule is that anything more than 2x Kelly guarantees you will go broke. Now I am not a math guy, so I don't know exactly how that works. I do know some players that have used the hail Mary approach and been okay and that seems to fly in the face of the 2 x Kelly = ruin, rule. But as you are playing right now, you are almost assuredly on a path to go broke.
Now in a PM you mentioned replenishable bankroll. I hope there is no problem with me mentioning that. That too changes the equation about what you are betting. But for now, I think you need to take a step back and refigure things based on where you currently are and the good fortune that you have experienced. Take that good fortune and this currently bigger bankroll and start playing to a more reasonable RoR, so this exercise has a chance to turn out differently (better) than your last go round. Sorry, if that is not what you want to hear, but that is my advice at the moment.
Luckily some other members like BoSox were all over that, sounding the alarm.On the numbers you have mention, you are severely overbetting your bankroll. The rule is that anything more than 2x Kelly guarantees you will go broke. Now I am not a math guy, so I don't know exactly how that works. I do know some players that have used the hail Mary approach and been okay and that seems to fly in the face of the 2 x Kelly = ruin, rule. But as you are playing right now, you are almost assuredly on a path to go broke.
Now in a PM you mentioned replenishable bankroll. I hope there is no problem with me mentioning that. That too changes the equation about what you are betting. But for now, I think you need to take a step back and refigure things based on where you currently are and the good fortune that you have experienced. Take that good fortune and this currently bigger bankroll and start playing to a more reasonable RoR, so this exercise has a chance to turn out differently (better) than your last go round. Sorry, if that is not what you want to hear, but that is my advice at the moment.
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KewlJ said:
Ok, some comments about this thread. First when I comment last week (back on page 1) my focus was on the ramp, in particular that initial first jump, similarly to what Don commented on. Admittedly, I sort of glossed over the RoR (very high) based on the information provided. And THAT is a very big thing to have glossed over. Luckily some other members like BoSox were all over that, sounding the alarm.
On the numbers you have mention, you are severely overbetting your bankroll. The rule is that anything more than 2x Kelly guarantees you will go broke. Now I am not a math guy, so I don't know exactly how that works. I do know some players that have used the hail Mary approach and been alright and that seems to fly in the face of the 2 x Kelly = ruin, rule. But as you are playing right now, you are almost assuredly on a path to go broke.
Now in a PM you mentioned replenishable bankroll. I hope there is no problem with me mentioning that. That too changes the equation about what you are betting. But for now, I think you need to take a step back and refigure things based on where you currently are and the good fortune that you have experienced. Take that good fortune and this currently bigger bankroll and start playing to a more reasonable RoR, so this exercise has a chance to turn out differently (better) than your last go round. Sorry, if that is not what you want to hear, but that is my advice at the moment.
Luckily some other members like BoSox were all over that, sounding the alarm.On the numbers you have mention, you are severely overbetting your bankroll. The rule is that anything more than 2x Kelly guarantees you will go broke. Now I am not a math guy, so I don't know exactly how that works. I do know some players that have used the hail Mary approach and been alright and that seems to fly in the face of the 2 x Kelly = ruin, rule. But as you are playing right now, you are almost assuredly on a path to go broke.
Now in a PM you mentioned replenishable bankroll. I hope there is no problem with me mentioning that. That too changes the equation about what you are betting. But for now, I think you need to take a step back and refigure things based on where you currently are and the good fortune that you have experienced. Take that good fortune and this currently bigger bankroll and start playing to a more reasonable RoR, so this exercise has a chance to turn out differently (better) than your last go round. Sorry, if that is not what you want to hear, but that is my advice at the moment.
I appreciate it BoSox. I recently started going to a new casino near me and played double deck with those spreads and definitely got the vibe I was being watched. Pitboss would do anything to try to keep a conversation, making comments etc. Waiting to go there for a bit. I really enjoy that game over 6 deck but can definitely see the downside
Drake, I need more help on this snip it tool. I know how to snip it okay, but it won't paste for me. I tried doing a paste onto Norm's site, but won't work. Any more detailed instructions appreciated. I suppose I could save the snip it as an image to my computer and then upload it, but would like to know how you do it.
PS. I agree with what everyone else said. Your are still over betting. A 1-12 spread on double deck is just asking for a backoff. Also your sim shows only one player. Pretty hard to wong in and out if your are the only one playing. You now have an acceptable bankroll. Take it slow. 8 months of blackjack play is not enough experience.
PS. I agree with what everyone else said. Your are still over betting. A 1-12 spread on double deck is just asking for a backoff. Also your sim shows only one player. Pretty hard to wong in and out if your are the only one playing. You now have an acceptable bankroll. Take it slow. 8 months of blackjack play is not enough experience.