New to counting, my story

Drake7

Active Member
#41
Midwest Player said:
Drake, I need more help on this snip it tool. I know how to snip it okay, but it won't paste for me. I tried doing a paste onto Norm's site, but won't work. Any more detailed instructions appreciated. I suppose I could save the snip it as an image to my computer and then upload it, but would like to know how you do it.

PS. I agree with what everyone else said. Your are still over betting. A 1-12 spread on double deck is just asking for a backoff. Also your sim shows only one player. Pretty hard to wong in and out if your are the only one playing. You now have an acceptable bankroll. Take it slow. 8 months of blackjack play is not enough experience.
Any recommendations for a new spread in 6 deck then based off that bankroll? Or if possible a different spread for double deck but I'm not sure that would optimally exist for me at the moment. Also I believe you have to copy it first. So snip the image then CTRL C then CTRL V in the same place you enter text into the site
 
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Drake7

Active Member
#42
DSchles said:
It's my opinion that if you play DD thinking you can somehow leave systematically, as opposed to very occasionally, on negative counts (where are you going?) and you spread 1-12, you will eventually be thrown out of every casino you play in.

Don
Sorry I missed this response. I either fake a phone call or I drop out after a lost hand. Usually i can make it seem pretty natural. For example I got a 20 and was messing with the dealer saying I should be safe here right, dealer draws a four card 21 and my true count dipped below -1. I laugh with the dealer then say I think I'll wait till the next shoe, that's probably a sign.
 

Hell'nBack

Well-Known Member
#43
Drake7 said:
This is the part I don't understand Kewl, this is a snippit from BJA website. I've gotten alot of info from there and thinking of getting a membership. Mostly because it seems they've started out similar to how i have. Any responses? I'm currently ~20% according to this....


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Bankroll should be assessed by number of max bets, not units.
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#45
JohnCrover said:
I suspect that many of these success stories seem on smaller bank rolls are slightly misleading because many of the people who succeeded wouldn't have given up if they lost their initial bank roll. They would have took money from their piggy bank and give it another shot. Just because someone starts with let's say 1k and never dips below it doesn't mean their BR is actually 1K if they were going to take another 1k if they lost it as an example.
Edit: I would like to apologize to Don for all of the egregious spelling errors in this post. lol
This is a very important point, and is well known as "survivorship bias". You'll only hear of the successes who stick around (like KJ!) not the failures who abandon the game.

As usual, xkcd has a relevant comic:

https://xkcd.com/1827/
 

ZenKinG

Well-Known Member
#46
Drake youre starting to feel like another BJA promoter. I almost feel as if there are BJA shills going around to get people to join their site. Your little story about growing it to 10k already seems massively suspicious
 

Drake7

Active Member
#47
ZenKinG said:
Drake youre starting to feel like another BJA promoter. I almost feel as if there are BJA shills going around to get people to join their site. Your little story about growing it to 10k already seems massively suspicious
I'm not, but I'll admit I did get some good material from their free course. I'm not sure a membership is worth it which is why I asked. I genuinely just wanted your guys opinion because it seems a little far off from what everyone here is telling me. If you have concerns with it please tell me. I'm simply interested because their founders started similar to me. I know I've been extremely lucky.

Frankly I don't care if you believe my story. I'm simply telling my results. If I was lying about it I'm not sure I would've led my post with losing 25k. Lol. But either way I'm just trying to get more information. They claim to be the best. If you or anyone disagrees that's perfectly fine, I'd just like to know why before I commit money to a membership you know?
 

Drake7

Active Member
#48
Drake7 said:
I'm not, but I'll admit I did get some good material from their free course. I'm not sure a membership is worth it which is why I asked. I genuinely just wanted your guys opinion because it seems a little far off from what everyone here is telling me. If you have concerns with it please tell me. I'm simply interested because their founders started similar to me. I know I've been extremely lucky.

Frankly I don't care if you believe my story. I'm simply telling my results. If I was lying about it I'm not sure I would've led my post with losing 25k. Lol. But either way I'm just trying to get more information. They claim to be the best. If you or anyone disagrees that's perfectly fine, I'd just like to know why before I commit money to a membership you know?
Also Zen. I'm literally poking holes in what BJA has posted on their website such as the RoR based on number of units and asking questions because it doesnt add up with what anyone here is saying.. how exactly does that make me a shill for BJA..?
 
#50
KewlJ said:
Congrats MWP. Old dog...new trick. ;) (sorry to call you and old dog).
I deleted the post. I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to computers. I was wondering when you post something like this or upload a picture from your computer is there a link back to your computer that hackers can somehow access other information on your computer. Is anyone who is computer savvy know if the snip it tool is safe to use without putting your computer at risk?
 
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21forme

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#51
Midwest Player said:
I deleted the post. I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to computers. I was wondering when you post something like this or upload a picture from your computer is there a link back to your computer that hackers can somehow access other information on your computer. Is anyone who is computer savvy know if the snip it tool is save to use without putting your computer at risk?
If you upload a picture from your computer, it is no longer connected to your computer in any way. However, if you took the picture with your cell phone or digital camera, there may be metadata embedded in the pic file (readable with an app) that discloses the location where it was taken and technical info about the pic. See https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/image-metadata
 

johndoe

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#52
21forme said:
If you upload a picture from your computer, it is no longer connected to your computer in any way. However, if you took the picture with your cell phone or digital camera, there may be metadata embedded in the pic file (readable with an app) that discloses the location where it was taken and technical info about the pic. See https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/image-metadata
This is the correct answer. There are many ways to strip this metadata, but a common one is to upload the picture to imgur.com for hosting. They strip all this info.
 

Drake7

Active Member
#53
Down 600 today. There was another AP that was known to them apparently because they randomly started shuffling after a few hands then only gave about 30 cards pen from there on after he sat down. I was a bit freaked out and thought it was me. Lol
 
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ZenKinG

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#54
Drake7 said:
I'm not, but I'll admit I did get some good material from their free course. I'm not sure a membership is worth it which is why I asked. I genuinely just wanted your guys opinion because it seems a little far off from what everyone here is telling me. If you have concerns with it please tell me. I'm simply interested because their founders started similar to me. I know I've been extremely lucky.

Frankly I don't care if you believe my story. I'm simply telling my results. If I was lying about it I'm not sure I would've led my post with losing 25k. Lol. But either way I'm just trying to get more information. They claim to be the best. If you or anyone disagrees that's perfectly fine, I'd just like to know why before I commit money to a membership you know?
Ok fair enough, sorry. Colin from BJA does know his stuff and many people vouch for him to be a good guy so Ill just leave it at that. Not fair for me to criticize people i dont know so I have to stop doing that. I just try to caution newcomers to question everything they read on these different forums.

Personally, I wouldnt waste money on a membership or go to any boot camps even when first starting out. Just buy CVCX and Casino Verite and practice on your computer.

Good luck.
 

Drake7

Active Member
#55
ZenKinG said:
Ok fair enough, sorry. Colin from BJA does know his stuff and many people vouch for him to be a good guy so Ill just leave it at that. Not fair for me to criticize people i dont know so I have to stop doing that. I just try to caution newcomers to question everything they read on these different forums.

Personally, I wouldnt waste money on a membership or go to any boot camps even when first starting out. Just buy CVCX and Casino Verite and practice on your computer.

Good luck.
Thanks Zen. I'll keep researching. I was only considering a membership with the bankroll coaching and not the bootcamp or anything. I'll hold off a bit
 

KewlJ

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#56
I don't know Colin. Some members of the community that I respect not only vouch for him but seem to think he is a pretty good guy and that is good enough for me. But, I do lose just a little respect for some of these guys that once their playing days are over, or have dwindled, go around running these "bootcamp" type deals teaching and training new players. For one, selfishly, as an active player, I am not fond of recruiting new players. Someone that develops an interest...fine. I will help as much as I can, but I don't think we need to go out and "recruit".

Also, there is just no need for a new player to lay out money for personalized lessons. Card counting isn't brain surgery. I am living proof, you don't have to be all that smart to learn and understand card counting. Everything you need is readily available online. The hard part of successful card counting is learning to control emotions and deal with the swings that are a part of the game, no matter what some players claim, and understanding that you need to be properly financed and just what that means.

Luckily for the second issue, we have Norm's top notch software that makes it easy for us. THAT is the investment a new player should make. Besides that it answers most questions, you will learn so much just playing around with it. And as for the first issue, learning to deal with swings and emotions, that is the real benefit of these kinds of forums. You can learn from others who have gone through such experiences before you and or others that are currently going through different experiences.

Just my opinion but I just see no need to lay out extra expenses for a boot camp type deal or even personal "tutoring".
 

Drake7

Active Member
#57
KewlJ said:
I don't know Colin. Some members of the community that I respect not only vouch for him but seem to think he is a pretty good guy and that is good enough for me. But, I do lose just a little respect for some of these guys that once their playing days are over, or have dwindled, go around running these "bootcamp" type deals teaching and training new players. For one, selfishly, as an active player, I am not fond of recruiting new players. Someone that develops an interest...fine. I will help as much as I can, but I don't think we need to go out and "recruit".

Also, there is just no need for a new player to lay out money for personalized lessons. Card counting isn't brain surgery. I am living proof, you don't have to be all that smart to learn and understand card counting. Everything you need is readily available online. The hard part of successful card counting is learning to control emotions and deal with the swings that are a part of the game, no matter what some players claim, and understanding that you need to be properly financed and just what that means.

Luckily for the second issue, we have Norm's top notch software that makes it easy for us. THAT is the investment a new player should make. Besides that it answers most questions, you will learn so much just playing around with it. And as for the first issue, learning to deal with swings and emotions, that is the real benefit of these kinds of forums. You can learn from others who have gone through such experiences before you and or others that are currently going through different experiences.

Just my opinion but I just see no need to lay out extra expenses for a boot camp type deal or even personal "tutoring".
Thanks KewlJ. Appreciate the honesty.
 
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