Question about "hot" dealers

[positiveEV]

If a dealer is on a hot streak and the casino change the dealer but not the deck and don't shuffle the deck, is the new dealer a "hot" one? The deck didn't got shuffled and the dealer will still draw the exact same cards and play the exact same way, so if your "hot streak" theory still applying? It would change nothing to keep the dealer or not as the same cards would be dealt in the same order anyway. Does it means the dealer is "on a streak" or the deck is?

What about keeping the dealer but shuffling the deck? Is it still on streak? What about changing the deck and shuffling it, if the dealer was "hot" then is the new deck on a winning streak?

Or perhaps it's the table itself. If we change move the dealer and the deck to another table but change nothing in the deck, is it still on a winning streak?

If a dealer was on a "winning" streak and ends his shift, is he still "hot" when he wake up the next morning and goes to work? Does that means that you should play as soon as he starts his shift if the last one he had was a "hot" one?

More importantly, I want to know if the "winning streak" is stocked in the table, the dealer, the decks or some cosmic force outside.

Please give us more insight about all this, since "a dealer on a streak pays much more than a dealer showing his hole card"!

 

[ihate17]

asia player

Everyone knows that if the dealer is killing the table a friendly dealer will turn the shoe around and that will force the Mythical Magical Sacred Flow to change.

Picking up your chair and turning it around in a circle can have the same effect.

There is one superstition that works perfectly when you are being killed. That is sitting out a hand. When you decide to sit out, you lose no money, in effect putting your poor streak on hold.

When winning, you want nothing to change. No new players should enter, no going to two hands for anyone except if someone leaves.

The silliest thing I have seen too often is the casino changing the cards or changing the dealer or changing both in order to end a players hot streak. Years ago a sweaty pit brought three replacement dealers to a table in about 40 minutes when I enjoying some real positive flux. After he relieved the original and then a replacement, I actually figured they would bounce me even though I had not gotten a great count so I had not spread much. I just kept winning. So I decide to have some fun with the pit and told him to bring them on, I would beat all of his dealers. So he brings in the next one and my good fortune just continued while the count was negative. When the final dealer came in though this pit was showing just how upset he was, staring at me while on the phone and I figure even though I have never really ramped my bet up, it was time to leave before this idiot pulls the plug on me for the crime of being lucky. I lose a couple in a row and give the guy something to think about by telling him that his staring at me and changing dealers has made me uncomfortable and taken the fun out of things and because of that, I am leaving.
Now let us say that I was not an AP, instead I was just a guy on a once in a lifetime winning streak. What has this guy done? He has convinced me to leave and probably lose my winnings in another casino. That makes him a casino person in charge of a game that he does not understand.

ihate17

 

[dacium]

That reminds me of the time I was being stupid at the super 6 wheel. I would wait until 3 results in a row were not 1:1 then bet on 1:1. I would also bet on 5:1 if it had not come in the last 10 spins and 3:1 after not coming 6 spins.
I got lucky by hitting almost every time I tried. At one point I remember riding a green chip 5:1 onto a 3:1 onto a 1:1. After that I was told I could not longer sit at the table and they asked me to turn my mobile phone off.... all of this on a game with a 7.7% house advantage... idiots.

 

[EasyRhino]

Wow, backed off a Big 6 wheel?

Congratulation, sir.

 

[Mimosine]

Wow, backed off a Big 6 wheel?

Congratulation, sir.

that is even better than your accomplishments with the ol' backoff-a-roo!

 

[Mimosine]

Everyone knows that if the dealer is killing the table a friendly dealer will turn the shoe around and that will force the Mythical Magical Sacred Flow to change.

i was playing a game recently where i suspect that i get a little more scrutiny than the average player. me and 1 person are playing on a NMS game. said other person leaves. the pit boss runs over and starts talking to the dealer and i get a little bit ancy, then the pit boss is trying to tell me that i can stand up and have the cards re-shuffled if i want - since someone left the table. i honestly didn't imagine that was what she was whispering to the dealer about. a pitboss more superstitious than the players....?

the count was neutral at the time, so it wasn't like they were shuffling away anything, and damnit i wanted that table to myself anyway!
i told them i don't care, deal the cards.

i'm still a little confused by this, but it is ultimately of no consequence.

 

[ihate17]

No idea

Perhaps they would have cut the pen on the next shoe but I do not think that pit thought you were an AP and I wish I could get a shuffle on request whenever a player leaves.

I can remember a couple of times with friendly dealers, playing heads up in a dead casino this kind of situation. After a couple of losing hands early in a shoe, the count is seriously negative and I am going to wong out. I tell the dealer that this has the makings of a shoe from hell and when you are heads up it seems that bad shoes never end. I get a reply that if I take my chips and leave that he will have to spread cards (face down) and shuffle when a new player comes in, so just come in a few minutes later. I do and I get a new shoe.
Of course this can only happen in a place that re-shuffles once the table becomes empty, which unfortunately and stupidly many casinos do not do.
I say stupidly here because superstitious or paranoid players often will not sit down at an empty table with only a partial shoe left. They feel it was either a bad shoe and that is why no one is playing now or the house is cheating and the remaining cards are set up to beat the player.

ihate17

i was playing a game recently where i suspect that i get a little more scrutiny than the average player. me and 1 person are playing on a NMS game. said other person leaves. the pit boss runs over and starts talking to the dealer and i get a little bit ancy, then the pit boss is trying to tell me that i can stand up and have the cards re-shuffled if i want - since someone left the table. i honestly didn't imagine that was what she was whispering to the dealer about. a pitboss more superstitious than the players....?

the count was neutral at the time, so it wasn't like they were shuffling away anything, and damnit i wanted that table to myself anyway!
i told them i don't care, deal the cards.

i'm still a little confused by this, but it is ultimately of no consequence.

 

[Mimosine]

I wish I could get a shuffle on request whenever a player leaves.

luckily at this one joint sometimes even the dealers encourage us to stand up when they see things going bad. one day me and a pal (non-counter) looked at each other at the same time (count was at least TC= -2) and we stood up in disgust, and sat right back down with big smiles.

 

[aslan]

Cooler

My short answer is that, for no known scientific reason, some dealers are harder to beat than others. Call me superstitious, but I avoid such dealers like the plague. Maybe they get in your head. I don't know. I know I'm dead wrong in the conventional, scientific sense, but it's more fun to play at a table with a dealer I like anyway, so there's no downside to following my "gut" or my "superstition."

Do you remember the movie "Cooler" with John Nacy? In the movie, the casino had hired John because he was such a loser. Whenever they sent him to a table, the table would start losing. Disaster always seemed to follow this guy, and the casino used his bad luck to bring down a table that was winning out of control. Now don't tell me you don't know individuals just like John. We all know them. I don't know how to explain there existance, but I've seen it in action, even personally.

The first time I played Baccarat I played against the "banc" and I had 17 straight $20 losses, so I switched to "player," which I lost, then returned to "banc" where I proceeded to lose two more times for a total of twenty straight losses. I quit.

Afterwards, I then began playing craps, continuously betting on the pass line and losing most of the time. My friend was betting with me. I switched to the don't pass line, instructing my friend to continue on the pass line, figuring I would continue losing agianst all odds. The dummy followed me to the don't pass line and lost with me. We returned to the pass line, and continued to lose until I finally quit. All I'm saying is, be openminded. Not everything can be explained by science IMO. Tip: Find a real loser, and then simply bet the opposite of whatever he does. The only way you can possibly lose is if you're a bigger loser than he is--and for that, there is no cure! hahaha

 

[ihate17]

detachment is tough

Aslan

Many years ago I felt like you. Even tough I knew the math, my gut would tell me not to play with a certain dealer, not to hit a hand or just to leave the casino and I would go with my gut. My experience over the past 30 or so years has taught me to go with the math and leave my gut outside the casino entrance. Now if you watched me play, you might think I was very emotional but inside it is just cold and calculating.
I have mentioned here before that over the years, just as you had in bac, I have had 4 streaks of losing 20 or more hands in a row. In one of those streaks I lost about 14 to the same dealer and then left the table (only to keep losing) because the count went bad. Three hours later I played against that same dealer again and must have lost six of seven, the count tanked and I left the table. When that same dealer came back from break (great penetration) I played with her again and in a matter of two shoes not only got all I had lost earlier back but left the casino with a very hefty win. This is not an isolated instance in my experience. I can not count the times that I have played a shoe with a dealer who just could not let me win more than a hand or two only to play with the same dealer the next shoe or a little while later and reverse the outcome.
I firmly believe and have the past to back this up, that the cards have no idea who is pulling them from the shoe or if they will land on my hand or the dealers hand.

I must admit that many in casino management agree with you. They are just as superstitious as their players. Dealers who gain a reputation for beating the players will get the higher limit tables and favorable treatment, while others get labeled rack emptiers and get low limit tables and have even been known to get fired.

ihate17

 

[aslan]

True

Aslan

Many years ago I felt like you. Even tough I knew the math, my gut would tell me not to play with a certain dealer, not to hit a hand or just to leave the casino and I would go with my gut. My experience over the past 30 or so years has taught me to go with the math and leave my gut outside the casino entrance. Now if you watched me play, you might think I was very emotional but inside it is just cold and calculating.
I have mentioned here before that over the years, just as you had in bac, I have had 4 streaks of losing 20 or more hands in a row. In one of those streaks I lost about 14 to the same dealer and then left the table (only to keep losing) because the count went bad. Three hours later I played against that same dealer again and must have lost six of seven, the count tanked and I left the table. When that same dealer came back from break (great penetration) I played with her again and in a matter of two shoes not only got all I had lost earlier back but left the casino with a very hefty win. This is not an isolated instance in my experience. I can not count the times that I have played a shoe with a dealer who just could not let me win more than a hand or two only to play with the same dealer the next shoe or a little while later and reverse the outcome.
I firmly believe and have the past to back this up, that the cards have no idea who is pulling them from the shoe or if they will land on my hand or the dealers hand.

I must admit that many in casino management agree with you. They are just as superstitious as their players. Dealers who gain a reputation for beating the players will get the higher limit tables and favorable treatment, while others get labeled rack emptiers and get low limit tables and have even been known to get fired.

ihate17

I find your comments very interesting and encouraging. I do need to become more detached when playing. This, as you said, is not easy to do. I sometimes feel during bad streaks that someone "up there" is trying to tell me something and find this hard to shake. Maybe if someone up there IS trying to tell me something, it's really, "Stick to your guns. Play the way your training and intelligence tell you. Don't give up when things go south. Stick it out, don't panic, and your edge will surely turn things back your way." I have to work hard to put these losing emotions behind me so that I am a winner in all situations. Thanks for your imput.

 

[GeorgeD]

i was playing a game recently where i suspect that i get a little more scrutiny than the average player. me and 1 person are playing on a NMS game. said other person leaves. the pit boss runs over and starts talking to the dealer and i get a little bit ancy, then the pit boss is trying to tell me that i can stand up and have the cards re-shuffled if i want - since someone left the table. i honestly didn't imagine that was what she was whispering to the dealer about. a pitboss more superstitious than the players....?

the count was neutral at the time, so it wasn't like they were shuffling away anything, and damnit i wanted that table to myself anyway!
i told them i don't care, deal the cards.

i'm still a little confused by this, but it is ultimately of no consequence.

Seems to me you missed a great opportunity to stand up and be fingered as a superstitious ploppy.

 

[Mimosine]

Seems to me you missed a great opportunity to stand up and be fingered as a superstitious ploppy.

well i do other things to get that rating. really all i wanted was the table to myself, and so i didn't go for the shuffle up as others were looming around the table waiting for a shuffle. it was a tough call.

 

[Mr. T]

I thought I would weigh in on this one

Being Asian myself (coincidentally) I agree with Asianfever and Asian that there is such a thing as a 'hot' dealer.

 

[aslan]

ASLAN is not Asian

Being Asian myself (coincidentally) I agree with Asianfever and Asian that there is such a thing as a 'hot' dealer.

My username is ASLAN, not ASIAN (It's easier to see in caps). Now, I may actually be Asian, but I'd rather keep my identity completely hidden, if that's all right.

 

[Canceler]

Have to admit...

My username is ASLAN, not ASIAN (It's easier to see in caps).

That had me tricked for quite a while, until I finally took a close look, with my reading glasses on.

 

[ihate17]

That is one of the reasons for an Asian advantage

Being Asian myself (coincidentally) I agree with Asianfever and Asian that there is such a thing as a 'hot' dealer.

The stereotypes of cardcounters single out mainly the white male. Women and Asians along with some other groups do have an edge when entering the casino as an AP because most casino people have these views.
Now the young, american born Asian male does not get this edge anymore.

If you are Asianl, with an accent (use one if you do not have one) the casino will expect you not only to be superstitious but also to use a real big spread in your betting. If you are a counter, you certainly can take advantage of their preconcieved notions.

ihate17

 

[EasyRhino]

I know the asian thing worked on me.

 

[Clint Rench]

I don't count cards I'm not that advanced yet. I'm still learning the system. I had a table that was just unbeatable to me. It was just unreal. Is it time to walk when that happens? I was playing by the book and I was losing more hands than I would have if I followed my instincts. I'm starting to think the book way is crap. Any advice for a rookie? I really like to play at casinos but I can't afford to lose my ass in 5 minutes that just isn't any fun. I play the lowest min bet table and just bet the minimum. I also get a little nervous when I go alone. I did win on a couple doubles and splits but it didnt save me from the 19 Pluss the dealer was hitting on each hand. Ive never seen that before and I was stumped. I was also wondering how to slow down the dealer if you get a real fast one or is it best to play fast.

 

[Useyourodds]

I'll post something that will stir things up! I'll start with a basic question: Would you sit at a table where the rules were reversed; where you had to hit 16 and stand on 17? Of course the answer is no. So, take advantage of the rules. Second, for all the books on the game, their is an assumption that the dealer has a "10 in the hole." It doesn't matter if it's one deck in hand or four/five decks in a shoe, the numbers say the dealer has only a four in thirteen probability of that. Then why that assumption? Take the hidden card psychology out of play and you're on the right track. Now, back to the rule. If the dealer has to "get to a number" and you don't, do not give the house your money - in other words do not take a card that will bust you. If you follow this rule, you have automatically moved the odds to your favor. Take out a deck of cards and try it. Make them take your money and you will take theirs. Blackjack is not skill, nor is it luck. It is numbers and numbers alone. If you have a hot dealer, odds are you mixed some busts in with natural losses that develops that losing string. For some this is a boring, no thinking approach. I have sat at many tables and always walked away with more than I started. There is, however a betting plan that goes with this. More on that depending on the reception of this post. I will show you how to win and you can prove/practice it yourself. Good luck and I appreciate your thoughts. Dave