Still Entertainment After All These Years!

#1
I have been playing blackjack for 5 years now and when I am not playing I
still like to go down to the tables and watch others play. But for NEW people that come to this board, remember one thing: ITS ALL ABOUT LUCK!..

It doesnt matter what you use as your "medicine" ie: card counting,shuffle tracking, negative progressions(martingale), positive progressions, rubbing on a bible while playing at the table, etc etc...the bottom line is this:

YOU CAN STILL LOSE!!
AND LOSE BIG!!

Like I said , here at casino Arizona we have had the BEST shuffle trackers come in and TRY to beat the house only to have to snot kicked out of them and not to mention their ENTIRE bankroll LOST.

We have had the BEST Card counters fly in from vegas and california. They come in to our casino and within 12 shoes(four hours of play, LOSE OVER $8000-$10,000. Just because the count was high and they started to max bet ---- getting twenty for three hands in a row and yet LOSING to dealer getting a blackjack or making a twenty one!!!..All this happened on a $25 min 500 max table. $500 is Max bet in the state of arizona.I STOOD there and watched three hours of this massacre.

Yes I have legs of steel, when it comes to watching OTHERS play blackjack. I can stand there for hours.Players betting max bet ($500) have asked me to back away from the table. Yet even when I do back ten yards away I can still see the card that the dealer has and I can still see the dealers arms take $500 bet after $500 bet out of the circle back into the chip tray. ALL this while the count was +8,+10,+14.

I dont know why the casino doesnt hire me as their "cooler". I would make an excellent one.



Dont get me wrong- Progressions are no good in the LONG run either. In fact, they are just as damaging as the bets keep getting higher and higher and the cards somehow "seem" to get worse on your side of the table..
Nope- the bottom line is _

ITS ALL LUCK!!..All a player can do is stick to basic strategy and hope they
have the sense to leave the table when they are up.

OR if they have "too many" losing sessions, have the sense to quit the game entirely or just play for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY once or twice per year.
Which is what I have chosen to do..Yes I had "too many" losing sessions to count.

There is no way to beat this game EVERY TIME!!.. But if you LIMIT the number of times that you play to a couple times a year, your losing sessions will only be a couple times a year at most...

joel
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#2
I'm getting fascinated with this impregnable fortress that is the Casino Arizona...

But anyway, I had a brief cooler moment again, I was backcounting, and a guy who I had seen at another table (losing), started losing again right off the top of the shoe. He turned to me and said "it's happening again!" and I said "oh, sorry, I'll move to the other side", and backcounted over the first base guy's shoulder. Then he started losing. Then I tried standing in the middle and they both started losing. Then the count got unrecoverable, and I said I needed to walk away to give them a break. :)
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#4
supercoolmancool said:
I think you said they use continuous shuffle machines. That is why the greatest shuffle trackers failed.
I think we've just found another reason why poor Joel can't win! :laugh:

At least he's posting in the proper forum now.

-Sonny-
 

nc-tom

Well-Known Member
#5
joel099 said:
I have been playing blackjack for 5 years now and when I am not playing I
still like to go down to the tables and watch others play. But for NEW people that come to this board, remember one thing: ITS ALL ABOUT LUCK!..

It doesnt matter what you use as your "medicine" ie: card counting,shuffle tracking, negative progressions(martingale), positive progressions, rubbing on a bible while playing at the table, etc etc...the bottom line is this:

YOU CAN STILL LOSE!!
AND LOSE BIG!!

Like I said , here at casino Arizona we have had the BEST shuffle trackers come in and TRY to beat the house only to have to snot kicked out of them and not to mention their ENTIRE bankroll LOST.

We have had the BEST Card counters fly in from vegas and california. They come in to our casino and within 12 shoes(four hours of play, LOSE OVER $8000-$10,000. Just because the count was high and they started to max bet ---- getting twenty for three hands in a row and yet LOSING to dealer getting a blackjack or making a twenty one!!!..All this happened on a $25 min 500 max table. $500 is Max bet in the state of arizona.I STOOD there and watched three hours of this massacre.

Yes I have legs of steel, when it comes to watching OTHERS play blackjack. I can stand there for hours.Players betting max bet ($500) have asked me to back away from the table. Yet even when I do back ten yards away I can still see the card that the dealer has and I can still see the dealers arms take $500 bet after $500 bet out of the circle back into the chip tray. ALL this while the count was +8,+10,+14.

I dont know why the casino doesnt hire me as their "cooler". I would make an excellent one.



Dont get me wrong- Progressions are no good in the LONG run either. In fact, they are just as damaging as the bets keep getting higher and higher and the cards somehow "seem" to get worse on your side of the table..
Nope- the bottom line is _

ITS ALL LUCK!!..All a player can do is stick to basic strategy and hope they
have the sense to leave the table when they are up.

OR if they have "too many" losing sessions, have the sense to quit the game entirely or just play for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY once or twice per year.
Which is what I have chosen to do..Yes I had "too many" losing sessions to count.

There is no way to beat this game EVERY TIME!!.. But if you LIMIT the number of times that you play to a couple times a year, your losing sessions will only be a couple times a year at most...

joel
Joel in the year I have been reading this board you have to be the most negitive poster cocerning BJ that i have read. If you dont like the game why do you continue to play or pay attention to the game?If it is all luck and you want "casino entertainment why dont you try a different game?You think you have been "unlucky at BJ" the last few years wait until you see how "unlucky" you can be at other games.We get your point though most of us would disagree with your conclusion.And winning 24 in a row is impossible at anything BJ included. Try a different hobby and please quit screaming at us. LOL
 
#6
Gambing in AZ = SUCKS.


All 6 deck shoes, all hit soft 17. Players that don't know crap sitting there wasting away, you can't sit there with a modest stake of $50 or so and have a good time, it just goes too fast(usually under 10 min).

They only have 1-2 $5 tables, most of the CSM's are $10 min, shoe games are mostly $15 and up.

One winning night, I had a pitboss urging me to bet more and more when I was up. I walked away laughing at them. Service is poor, waitresses rarely come around, and they don't even have good food.

Forget trying to win here unless you are playing Texas Hold-em.

At least in vegas you can have fun playing a game, here in AZ, just not fun at all.
 

supercoolmancool

Well-Known Member
#7
Whoops I didn't mean to type continuous shuffle machines. I meant to type just normanl shuffle machines that are not continuous. But that is going by memory I havn't check back into Joel's previous posts to verify.
 

Cass

Well-Known Member
#9
joel099 said:
I have been playing blackjack for 5 years now and when I am not playing I
still like to go down to the tables and watch others play. But for NEW people that come to this board, remember one thing: ITS ALL ABOUT LUCK!..

It doesnt matter what you use as your "medicine" ie: card counting,shuffle tracking, negative progressions(martingale), positive progressions, rubbing on a bible while playing at the table, etc etc...the bottom line is this:

YOU CAN STILL LOSE!!
AND LOSE BIG!!

Like I said , here at casino Arizona we have had the BEST shuffle trackers come in and TRY to beat the house only to have to snot kicked out of them and not to mention their ENTIRE bankroll LOST.

We have had the BEST Card counters fly in from vegas and california. They come in to our casino and within 12 shoes(four hours of play, LOSE OVER $8000-$10,000. Just because the count was high and they started to max bet ---- getting twenty for three hands in a row and yet LOSING to dealer getting a blackjack or making a twenty one!!!..All this happened on a $25 min 500 max table. $500 is Max bet in the state of arizona.I STOOD there and watched three hours of this massacre.

Yes I have legs of steel, when it comes to watching OTHERS play blackjack. I can stand there for hours.Players betting max bet ($500) have asked me to back away from the table. Yet even when I do back ten yards away I can still see the card that the dealer has and I can still see the dealers arms take $500 bet after $500 bet out of the circle back into the chip tray. ALL this while the count was +8,+10,+14.

I dont know why the casino doesnt hire me as their "cooler". I would make an excellent one.



Dont get me wrong- Progressions are no good in the LONG run either. In fact, they are just as damaging as the bets keep getting higher and higher and the cards somehow "seem" to get worse on your side of the table..
Nope- the bottom line is _

ITS ALL LUCK!!..All a player can do is stick to basic strategy and hope they
have the sense to leave the table when they are up.

OR if they have "too many" losing sessions, have the sense to quit the game entirely or just play for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY once or twice per year.
Which is what I have chosen to do..Yes I had "too many" losing sessions to count.

There is no way to beat this game EVERY TIME!!.. But if you LIMIT the number of times that you play to a couple times a year, your losing sessions will only be a couple times a year at most...

joel


Why would a card counter fly in from vegas or CA to play at this shitty game?
 
#10
lol, probably just some more of the b.s. that gets said at the tables.

I have seen people sit down there and lose 8-10K though. IDIOTS!!

You always got that big huffy guy that thinks he is a high roller, sits down with about $5K throws it down, starts betting table max bets and 30 min later walks away all pissed off, while you bet according to how the table is going an earn a meger profit or loss
 
#11
Thats My Point!

azbetsgonewild said:
lol, probably just some more of the b.s. that gets said at the tables.

I have seen people sit down there and lose 8-10K though. IDIOTS!!

You always got that big huffy guy that thinks he is a high roller, sits down with about $5K throws it down, starts betting table max bets and 30 min later walks away all pissed off, while you bet according to how the table is going an earn a meger profit or loss
Here in the "IN-pentrable Fortress" we call CASINO ARIZONA as (one poster aptly named it), the SIX DECK SHOES on the $25 min $500 max table are TOUGH AS NAILS TO BEAT.Dealer hits soft 17 which mabe accounts for a house edge of 2% at most. We have "shuffle trackers" and card counters drive over from calif and las vegas( I guess they are on vacation or visiting relatives here). Anyway, the end result is they LOSE . I talked to one asian card counter from vegas that came over to Casino arizona and he says when he plays the TWO deck and FOUR deck shoes in vegas he has a 70% track record winning a minimum of $1000 with only a $2000 starting bankroll.

Well he comes over to CA with his $2000 and its GONE after only three shoes! He then goes to the ATM machine takes out another $3000 and this is GONE after just four shoes. $5000 GONE and he said this hasnt happened to him in OVER SIX MONTHS!!!...He said , he should have walked OUT- when he was just $100 UP after the first shoe...
My point is blackjack is such a tough game that if you even get "$100 up"
its time to walk before you lose your $500 bankroll or whatever you brought.

If you are playing out of a six deck shoe with two other people at the table you will be dealt about 25 hands and they for some reason follow a pattern VERY similiar to this:

LWWLLLLWLL
WLLLWLLWLL
WWLLL

8wins 17 losses!!.. Better hope your not FLAT betting $25 or you are going to be DOWN about $200 assuming you didnt lose a double down hand.
 

nc-tom

Well-Known Member
#13
Hey Joel 099 do you work for the sales department at this casino arizona. The way you are throwing down the gauntlet to the posters on this board is starting to make me wonder?
 

bluewhale

Well-Known Member
#14
nc-tom said:
Hey Joel 099 do you work for the sales department at this casino arizona. The way you are throwing down the gauntlet to the posters on this board is starting to make me wonder?
i second this motion. i honestly think there are casino ppl who post here who try to mess up noobs.
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#15
bluewhale said:
i second this motion. i honestly think there are casino ppl who post here who try to mess up noobs.
I agree. This guy is an obvious troll. Let’s look at the facts so far:

1) He claims to be a professional, yet admits that he uses progression systems and has been losing for three years. That doesn’t sound very professional, does it?

2) He claims that he has been playing for 5 years and that he is/was a card counter, yet just last month he wanted us to run a sim on the “never bust” strategy because he thought it was a winner. Obviously he has no knowledge of card counting or even gambling in general.

3) He claims that card counters and shuffle trackers are converging on his casino in droves, yet later admits that the conditions are terrible and that they use CSMs (and the max bet is only $500). I’m not surprised that there is nothing but losers there. And, based on #3 above, he couldn’t spot a card counter if he wanted to. He probably thinks that a front loader is just a piece of construction equipment! :laugh:

4) He claims to know the order of the hands (the old “LWWLLLLWLL” nonsense) yet he still can’t win! Poor guy.

Obviously this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about, isn’t interested in learning and has nothing to offer this website. I say we just let the troll go hungry.

-Sonny-
 
#16
I think he is a 'conspiracy' theorist.

What makes you think the 6 deck game at Casino Arizona is any worse than any other 6 deck hit soft 17 game out there?

around Halloween, I started with a bankroll of $500, and cashed out with $4k, went in another week later with $300, and walked with 1200.

So, Casino Arizona is not an 'Impenetrable fortress'.

Its just a typical 6 deck game, like you will find anywhere else in this state. I think they all suck, typically because 9 times out of 10, I lose, no matter if it be Casino Arizona, Gila River, or Harrah's.

But for the sake of argument, I have won more often at casino arizona than any of the others, and that is just by co-incidence, I actually have been to Gila more times than CA.

My suggestion, QUIT TRYING!! Just have fun with it, don't bring in your mortgage payment and then get pissed when you lose it. Bring in $100, maybe $200 if it suits you, sit down and have a good time, and EXPECT to lose. Then when you do win, you are pleasantly surprized.
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#18
To nitpick, I used the work "impregnable", but "impenetrable" might be more appropriate to our people.

How far away is this joint from Phoenix Sky Harbor? I. Must. Go.
 

Bojack1

Well-Known Member
#19
joel099 said:
Here in the "IN-pentrable Fortress" we call CASINO ARIZONA as (one poster aptly named it), the SIX DECK SHOES on the $25 min $500 max table are TOUGH AS NAILS TO BEAT.Dealer hits soft 17 which mabe accounts for a house edge of 2% at most. We have "shuffle trackers" and card counters drive over from calif and las vegas( I guess they are on vacation or visiting relatives here). Anyway, the end result is they LOSE . I talked to one asian card counter from vegas that came over to Casino arizona and he says when he plays the TWO deck and FOUR deck shoes in vegas he has a 70% track record winning a minimum of $1000 with only a $2000 starting bankroll.

Well he comes over to CA with his $2000 and its GONE after only three shoes! He then goes to the ATM machine takes out another $3000 and this is GONE after just four shoes. $5000 GONE and he said this hasnt happened to him in OVER SIX MONTHS!!!...He said , he should have walked OUT- when he was just $100 UP after the first shoe...
My point is blackjack is such a tough game that if you even get "$100 up"
its time to walk before you lose your $500 bankroll or whatever you brought.

If you are playing out of a six deck shoe with two other people at the table you will be dealt about 25 hands and they for some reason follow a pattern VERY similiar to this:

LWWLLLLWLL
WLLLWLLWLL
WWLLL

8wins 17 losses!!.. Better hope your not FLAT betting $25 or you are going to be DOWN about $200 assuming you didnt lose a double down hand.
Joel I am truly sorry that you are losing consistently at blackjack, I'm sure its quite frustrating. But if you continue to play bad games with bad methods than shame on you, you're getting what you deserve. As far as your stories about professional trackers and counters getting killed at your casino, thats just a bunch of noise, as well as the win loss patterns you suggest. No pro is going to announce his presence in a casino no matter what the suppossed attitude of the casino is. And even if you have experienced win loss patterns as you describe there is no credibility to the fact that someone else will experience the same. If you knew what the exact future held I imagine you might be quite a bit more successful in your playing than you are now.

I am going to check out this casino within the next few weeks, whether I play it or not is another question. I will not play a lousy game just to prove a point. If I find something playable about it I will play it and let you know what the conditions are, and the results. But in the meantime it would be nice Joel not to post nonsense that might be taken wrong by newer players just to frustrate them.
 
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