Tell if jumping in mid-shoe with a high count is a viable strategy

[Sucker]

When I go to a casino, I have one goal in mind: to make money. I have a responsibility to my family to make money. This is what I do for a living.
I do not go into the casino to make friends; although I will try to be as friendly and courteous as possible, and if I DO make a friend along the way, that's great. As a matter of fact, USUALLY; dealers and players alike LOVE my friendly and cheerful act.

However; if the situation arises where an opportunity to make money will possibly make someone mad at me, my moral and ethical obligation to myself and my family is to do the job that I set out to do.

Until you (generically speaking, of course) develop this same attitude, you will NEVER have the right to call yourself a "professional".
If this sounds harsh & negative; you're mistaken. It's nothing more than the cold, hard truth.

 

[Bojack1]

Very good.

Now what would you do Bojack if the situation was reversed, you asked politely and the wonger blows you off and enters the game.

I understand this is a moot point when playing on NMS games, but it is an interesting topic.

Also, if it comes to the point of throwing down I say do it right there and then and let the chips fall where they may.

CP

If I was playing at a table and I had the advantage, I would probably ask a wonger to wait. If he refused, well then thats life. I am not a bully and if I am already there I am implementing my strategy and no wonger can change that. Of course they will be taking some cards in a situation that I don't want them to, but its just noise in the equation. I can live with that. I don't need to demean anybody that just wants to play blackjack. You pick and choose your fights, I do not sweat the small stuff.

As far as throwing down in a casino, I can't think of a more negative EV move to make. Im there to make money, not get kicked out banned and flyered for not having self discipline. Don't get me wrong, if someone attacks me in a casino physically I will defend myself, but I would never put myself in a position to basically lose a venue to prove to some dope big mouth that I can kick his ass. Most big mouths only want to bully to get there way, it should never come to an actual altercation inside the casino.

 

[creeping panther]

Sucker

When I go to a casino, I have one goal in mind: to make money. I have a responsibility to my family to make money. This is what I do for a living.
I do not go into the casino to make friends; although I will try to be as friendly and courteous as possible, and if I DO make a friend along the way, that's great. As a matter of fact, USUALLY; dealers and players alike LOVE my friendly and cheerful act.

However; if the situation arises where an opportunity to make money will possibly make someone mad at me, my moral and ethical obligation to myself and my family is to do the job that I set out to do.

Until you (generically speaking, of course) develop this same attitude, you will NEVER have the right to call yourself a "professional".
If this sounds harsh & negative; you're mistaken. It's nothing more than the cold, hard truth.

Again, let us do a reverse.

I am for sure there to make money, you are there to make money, you are ready to bust into a shoe that I have been massaging to make me money, we both have families to support...what now??

Should I then just start following you around and jump in when you do and vice-versa??? This can get real sticky fast,,,,doncha think????:laugh::laugh:

Also by "I" I do not mean me in particular in this example.

CP

 

[Sucker]

Again, let us do a reverse.

I am for sure there to make money, you are there to make money, you are ready to bust into a shoe that I have been massaging to make me money, we both have families to support...what now??

Should I then just start following you around and jump in when you do and vice-versa??? This can get real sticky fast,,,,doncha think????:laugh::laugh:

Also by "I" I do not mean me in particular in this example.

CP

Your point is absolutely correct. Although I didn't make it perfectly clear, the gist of my post was in reference to the PLOPPIES at the table. I personally happen to be one of the FEW old-timers that still show professional courtesy to another AP, and mostly BECAUSE of the fact that it can get real sticky real fast. If I walk up to a table and see someone that I recognize is a professional, I will NEVER sit down; even if invited. This is because I expect him to do the same for me at a later date. (which unfortunately doesn't always happen)

 

[sagefr0g]

Your point is absolutely correct. Although I didn't make it perfectly clear, the gist of my post was in reference to the PLOPPIES at the table. I personally happen to be one of the FEW old-timers that still show professional courtesy to another AP, and mostly BECAUSE of the fact that it can get real sticky real fast. If I walk up to a table and see someone that I recognize is a professional, I will NEVER sit down; even if invited. This is because I expect him to do the same for me at a later date. (which unfortunately doesn't always happen)

sometimes competition can be intense but a venue equally as appealing.
how do you handle that?

 

[aslan]

You should always be polite to the other players. Treat them with dignity and respect. Allow them to tell you how to play your hands. Do what they suggest even when you think they are wrong. Bend offer backwards to be courteous to them and to entertain them. Listen intently to their stories even if it means you will lose count. It's the golden rule. Never, never be upset with your table companions. You will never make a dime playing blackjack, but you will be liked by one and all. After all, that's what's important, isn't it? NOT! :angel:

 

[Diver]

What's it worth?

It would be tempting to say something like "sure, give me a couple of green chips for my spot and I'll be happy to wait." That cuts directly to the heart of the matter.

 

[daddybo]

If I was playing at a table and I had the advantage, I would probably ask a wonger to wait. If he refused, well then thats life. I am not a bully and if I am already there I am implementing my strategy and no wonger can change that. Of course they will be taking some cards in a situation that I don't want them to, but its just noise in the equation. I can live with that. I don't need to demean anybody that just wants to play blackjack. You pick and choose your fights, I do not sweat the small stuff.

As far as throwing down in a casino, I can't think of a more negative EV move to make. Im there to make money, not get kicked out banned and flyered for not having self discipline. Don't get me wrong, if someone attacks me in a casino physically I will defend myself, but I would never put myself in a position to basically lose a venue to prove to some dope big mouth that I can kick his ass. Most big mouths only want to bully to get there way, it should never come to an actual altercation inside the casino.

I usually just let folks like that beat on me. It's their call if they want to check under the hood of their cars before starting for the rest of their lives. :whip:

 

[psyduck]

I like to remove my teeth put them on the table next to my chips, ask the dealer to please keep an eye on them for me,

I believe most casinos do not allow personal items such as teeth to be placed on the table.

 

[Bojack1]

I believe most casinos do not allow personal items such as teeth to be placed on the table.

Really? Seen alot of pits get up in arms about teeth on the table have you? :grin: Its not like they would be there more than a few seconds anyway. Asking the dealer to watch them is purely a rhetorical question. Please tell me I need not explain this further.

 

[aslan]

Really? Seen alot of pits get up in arms about teeth on the table have you? :grin: Its not like they would be there more than a few seconds anyway. Asking the dealer to watch them is purely a rhetorical question. Please tell me I need not explain this further.

Reminds me of a pool player back in the 60's who had a game lined up, but was broke and asked to borrow some money from my friend. He had no collateral, so he pulled out his glass eye and handed it to my friend who correctly reasoned he would thereby be good for the loan. Sure enough, after beating his opponent he presented my friend with the loan amount in full (there may have been an interest factor, I don't know) whereupon he received back his eye and popped it back into the empty socket. Case closed.

 

[Diver]

Reminds me of a pool player back in the 60's who had a game lined up, but was broke and asked to borrow some money from my friend. He had no collateral, so he pulled out his glass eye and handed it to my friend who correctly reasoned he would thereby be good for the loan. Sure enough, after beating his opponent he presented my friend with the loan amount in full (there may have been an interest factor, I don't know) whereupon he received back his eye and popped it back into the empty socket. Case closed.

I knew a guy with a glass eye who would take it out on occasion just to freak someone out. In the context of this discussion, perhaps slamming down a glass eye on a box would serve to indicate "eye don't think so" if asked to wait for the next shoe.

 

[psyduck]

Please tell me I need not explain this further.

Okay, Mr. Bojack, please allow one more question: have you ever run into a guy who also removed his teeth and placed them on the same table?

 

[aslan]

Okay, Mr. Bojack, please allow one more question: have you ever run into a guy who also removed his teeth and placed them on the same table?

What's with all the teeth chatter?

I'm sure it's been done many a time.

 

[Bojack1]

Okay, Mr. Bojack, please allow one more question: have you ever run into a guy who also removed his teeth and placed them on the same table?

Yes many times, I have tangled with many who have alot more than just dental issues. But never in a casino, and never has a bully agreed to be a willing participant in any of my tongue in cheek......er, huh, teeth on table offers. You seem to be missing the point of my post. I am not claiming to be the tough guy, just showing that with a loudmouth table bully, it is not hard to turn them from attacker to victim.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Your point is absolutely correct. Although I didn't make it perfectly clear, the gist of my post was in reference to the PLOPPIES at the table. I personally happen to be one of the FEW old-timers that still show professional courtesy to another AP, and mostly BECAUSE of the fact that it can get real sticky real fast. If I walk up to a table and see someone that I recognize is a professional, I will NEVER sit down; even if invited. This is because I expect him to do the same for me at a later date. (which unfortunately doesn't always happen)

Depending on the situation, AP's playing at the same table can increase each other's EV significantly. Even in an ad hoc arrangement there are good things you can do for one another without even discussing it. If someone I know is AP invites me to sit down I assume he has a reason and at the very least I'm going to speed his game up and conserve cards in high counts, and vice versa.

 

[Machinist]

Okay, Mr. Bojack, please allow one more question: have you ever run into a guy who also removed his teeth and placed them on the same table?

Gee wish i could get the respect to be called "Mr."

Machinist

 

[aslan]

Gee wish i could get the respect to be called "Mr."

Machinist

Mr. Machinist,

Just want to let you know you have my respect.

 

[Tab]

When I go to a casino, I have one goal in mind: to make money. I have a responsibility to my family to make money. This is what I do for a living.
I do not go into the casino to make friends; although I will try to be as friendly and courteous as possible, and if I DO make a friend along the way, that's great. As a matter of fact, USUALLY; dealers and players alike LOVE my friendly and cheerful act.

However; if the situation arises where an opportunity to make money will possibly make someone mad at me, my moral and ethical obligation to myself and my family is to do the job that I set out to do.

Until you (generically speaking, of course) develop this same attitude, you will NEVER have the right to call yourself a "professional".
If this sounds harsh & negative; you're mistaken. It's nothing more than the cold, hard truth.

That's some good advice however you're probably going to have a more difficult time making money if you're pissing off other players at the table. The Casino can boot you out anytime they please.

There doesn't really seem to be consensus on the issue, though I'm curious as how to MIT Blackjack Team pulled it off on high-roller tables. I'd suspect you'd run into many more superstitious players at tables of such high-stakes.

 

[ooter]

You are referring to six deck, correct? I've never heard of anyone getting upset with someone for coming into the game on a six deck. That's what everyone just does. Gamblers and APs alike. Standard procedure in any casino I've ever been to (mostly Laughlin, Vegas, and Arizona).