Your website rocks. I use the Wong Halves count but I’m curious whether another betting system is more efficient for single deck games. I believe most of the benefit from the halves system is from the betting precision, but I’m not sure whether in a single deck game that could be outweighed by a system with a higher playing efficiency. Assuming no obstacles for learning a new system, which would be the Utopian single deck system in your opinion?
You must play in Reno, because there aren’t many other places where this question is still relevant!
Personally, I chose the Halves count because of the high BE that you noted. Counts with a higher PE generally require a side count of Aces, which I just didn’t like doing. It’s not keeping the Ace side count that was annoying to me, but rather the adjustments needed to then utilize it.
Since my play was mostly double deck games, I have not done comparisons for single deck play. Sorry.
I also have often stated that were I learning a system today, I would stick with a very simple system, either Hi-Lo or KO. Single deck might be worth an exception.
When I started counting I wanted to learn the “best” system, so I only learned that system. Only later I realized that DD and SD games might be beaten more efficiently with higher PC. I ended up learning the Hi-lo eventually (only system I know about for Spanish 21), and I would have just switched to that had I not already memorized the damn indices for the halves.
So I really appreciate your response.
P.S. Don’t give up on SD just yet, Cali has a few decent (but not amazing) SD games too.
It’s clear you never heard of “Jim’s rhythm system”.
I can’t reveal the details, but it’s a modified anti martingale system that limits your losses and maximizes your gains, best played on a 6 deck shoe, and playing two hands or one hand, depending on the circumstance. If other players at the table don’t like you ‘changing up the cards’ by being in and out with one or two hands, you may want to find an empty table. You will never draw attention from the pit, and you never count cards. This system will lose more than it wins,but the wins can be huge.
Ken Smith is the only knowledgable player here. I don’t count but I play solid basic strategy and I press like a maniac until I reach the table max. I’m from the school of play to win big. I’ll break my bankroll up into 6 or 8 sessions usually around 600 bucks. I start at a hundred a hand. If I lose three in a row I’m gone. My goal is to press to the table max while pulling back enough money to double or split on any given bet amount. I play for streaks. I want to win 9+ hands in a row. It has happened. I usually don’t play longer than 10 to 20 minutes at a given time. It’s been great. I’ve won big. I’ve lost too. It’s a blast when a streak happens and you’ve got 20 people cheering for you with a 5 or 6 thousand dollar bet up there. Win or lose. It’s a major rush.
Say for example I was at a $15 minimum table, would you recommend using the same spread like the one listed. So $5 would be $15, $10 would be $30 etc etc?
Also, say for example I had a bankroll where I could afford to bet $20 – $240. If I was at a $5 table should I just bet $5 when the count is 1 or less and then jump to $40 when it get to 2. Other than maybe raising casino interest in your play, would this be a good strategy
Yes, you can think of spreads in terms of bet multiples no matter what the table minimum is. Of course, your bankroll needs to be proportionally larger too.
For your second question, a bigger spread will create a bigger return. In short, the less you can bet into bad counts and the more you can bet into good counts directly translate into better return. Larger spreads also create larger swings, in many cases much larger. So make sure you understand the bankroll required.
Luckily, the pit-bosses and THEIR bosses here in Mesquite seem to have a super-low opinion of the 6:5 games, so I doubt we’ll be seeing them for a while…
Hi Ken ! thanks for all. I would know if is possible to buy the advanced card set in ebook format or something like that because the shipping charges regard my country are really high.
I agree. The true count must be calculated in when deciding wether to hit or stay during a hand. Rigidly adhering to bs doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Or so it seems
I’ve played my fair share of blackjack in actual casinos. Many of it counting cards. This happens nearly every time. It’s a real pisser….you put all that time and effort into learning how to count cards only to realize the count is negative so often and usually right out of the gate. It’s very seldom the count goes high or in your favor. Counting cards certainly works but if you’re careful not to expose yourself by betting large amounts while the count is high you end up barely getting by. I’ve been working on progressive betting strategies for years now with no luck finding the perfect one.
สวัสดีครับ เคน,
Your website rocks. I use the Wong Halves count but I’m curious whether another betting system is more efficient for single deck games. I believe most of the benefit from the halves system is from the betting precision, but I’m not sure whether in a single deck game that could be outweighed by a system with a higher playing efficiency. Assuming no obstacles for learning a new system, which would be the Utopian single deck system in your opinion?
You must play in Reno, because there aren’t many other places where this question is still relevant!
Personally, I chose the Halves count because of the high BE that you noted. Counts with a higher PE generally require a side count of Aces, which I just didn’t like doing. It’s not keeping the Ace side count that was annoying to me, but rather the adjustments needed to then utilize it.
Since my play was mostly double deck games, I have not done comparisons for single deck play. Sorry.
I also have often stated that were I learning a system today, I would stick with a very simple system, either Hi-Lo or KO. Single deck might be worth an exception.
Here are a couple of links that may be helpful.
You probably already know about this comparison of counts: https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
Here’s an interesting collaborative effort from the boards: https://www.blackjackinfo.com/knowledge-base/blackjack-card-counting/bjinfo-open-source-ubz-ii-v0-5/
Thanks, Ken.
When I started counting I wanted to learn the “best” system, so I only learned that system. Only later I realized that DD and SD games might be beaten more efficiently with higher PC. I ended up learning the Hi-lo eventually (only system I know about for Spanish 21), and I would have just switched to that had I not already memorized the damn indices for the halves.
So I really appreciate your response.
P.S. Don’t give up on SD just yet, Cali has a few decent (but not amazing) SD games too.
has anybody been using snyders red seven count?
It’s clear you never heard of “Jim’s rhythm system”.
I can’t reveal the details, but it’s a modified anti martingale system that limits your losses and maximizes your gains, best played on a 6 deck shoe, and playing two hands or one hand, depending on the circumstance. If other players at the table don’t like you ‘changing up the cards’ by being in and out with one or two hands, you may want to find an empty table. You will never draw attention from the pit, and you never count cards. This system will lose more than it wins,but the wins can be huge.
Great helpful advice re martingale. The pushes and table maximums make any negative progression a terrible strategy.
มีใครรู้จักเควิน บาร์ตันบ้างไหม? เขาคือพ่อของฉัน และฉันตามหาเขาอยู่เป็นเวลา 19 ปีแล้ว เขาเป็นนักเล่นแบล็กแจ็กที่มีชื่อเสียงมาก และเป็นผู้เชี่ยวชาญในการนับไพ่ หากใครมีข้อมูลเกี่ยวกับพ่อของฉัน ขอความกรุณาแจ้งให้ทราบด้วย จะเป็นพระคุณอย่างยิ่ง
ฉันกำลังเรียนรู้การนับไพ่ ฉันใช้ระบบ Hi-Lo (แต่ฉันก็กำลังดูระบบ TKO ด้วย) ฉันแจกไพ่หนึ่งสำรับและจดบันทึกผลลัพธ์ของฉันรวมถึงเวลาที่ใช้ในการแจกไพ่หนึ่งสำรับ เวลาที่ดีที่สุดของฉันคือ 40 วินาที.
มีคำถามสามข้อที่ฉันอยากถามคุณ...
1. วิธีที่ดีที่สุดในการคำนวณ “จำนวนสำรับไพ่ที่แจก” โดยดูจากรองเท้าไพ่ที่ถูกทิ้งเพียงอย่างเดียว?
2. ในการไปคาสิโนครั้งที่รองสุดท้ายของผม ผมเล่นได้ดีมาก แต่... มีผู้เล่นคนอื่นที่โต๊ะพูดออกมาว่า “คุณกำลังทำอะไรอยู่ครับ? นับไพ่เหรอ?” ผมแทบจะตกเก้าอี้ตาย! แล้วควรทำยังไงดีเพื่อ “ปกปิด” ความจริงนี้?
3. คุณมีความคิดเห็นอย่างไรเกี่ยวกับระบบ TKO โดย Daniel Dravot?
ขอบคุณ,
GV
1. การประมาณจำนวนสำรับไพ่ในถาดทิ้งเป็นทักษะที่คุณสามารถฝึกฝนได้ที่บ้าน ซื้อสำรับไพ่ที่ใช้แล้วจากร้านขายของที่ระลึกในคาสิโนสักสองสามสำรับ แล้วลองทายจำนวนไพ่ในแต่ละกองที่มีขนาดต่างกัน คุณไม่จำเป็นต้องแม่นยำมากนัก การทายให้ใกล้เคียงครึ่งสำรับก็น่าจะเพียงพอแล้ว.
2. เมื่อเดิมพันด้วยจำนวนเงินต่ำ คุณไม่สามารถใช้สิ่งที่เรียกว่าการพรางตัวเพื่อซ่อนกลยุทธ์ของคุณได้ เพียงแค่เล่นแต่ละโต๊ะให้สั้นเท่านั้น.
3. KO มีกำลังประมาณเท่ากับ Hi-Lo และส่วนใหญ่จะพบว่าง่ายกว่า TKO จะปรับปรุงให้ดีขึ้นอีก แต่ฉันอยากให้คุณแน่ใจว่าคุณคุ้นเคยกับ KO ปกติเป็นอย่างดีก่อน คุณสามารถเพิ่มแนวคิดของ TKO ได้ในภายหลัง.
ขอให้โชคดีและไพ่ดี! -เคน-
Ken Smith is the only knowledgable player here. I don’t count but I play solid basic strategy and I press like a maniac until I reach the table max. I’m from the school of play to win big. I’ll break my bankroll up into 6 or 8 sessions usually around 600 bucks. I start at a hundred a hand. If I lose three in a row I’m gone. My goal is to press to the table max while pulling back enough money to double or split on any given bet amount. I play for streaks. I want to win 9+ hands in a row. It has happened. I usually don’t play longer than 10 to 20 minutes at a given time. It’s been great. I’ve won big. I’ve lost too. It’s a blast when a streak happens and you’ve got 20 people cheering for you with a 5 or 6 thousand dollar bet up there. Win or lose. It’s a major rush.
สวัสดีครับ เคน,
Say for example I was at a $15 minimum table, would you recommend using the same spread like the one listed. So $5 would be $15, $10 would be $30 etc etc?
Also, say for example I had a bankroll where I could afford to bet $20 – $240. If I was at a $5 table should I just bet $5 when the count is 1 or less and then jump to $40 when it get to 2. Other than maybe raising casino interest in your play, would this be a good strategy
Yes, you can think of spreads in terms of bet multiples no matter what the table minimum is. Of course, your bankroll needs to be proportionally larger too.
For your second question, a bigger spread will create a bigger return. In short, the less you can bet into bad counts and the more you can bet into good counts directly translate into better return. Larger spreads also create larger swings, in many cases much larger. So make sure you understand the bankroll required.
Luckily, the pit-bosses and THEIR bosses here in Mesquite seem to have a super-low opinion of the 6:5 games, so I doubt we’ll be seeing them for a while…
ใช่ นั่นแหละ แต่รายละเอียดปลีกย่อยต่างกันเล็กน้อย พวกเขายังมี Triple-Up ด้วย.
ฉันอาจจะต้องไปขอความช่วยเหลือจากน้องหรือพี่เพื่อช่วยกันทำอะไรสักอย่างแบบลวกๆ XD
Sorry Roberto, I don’t have an electronic version available. I may consider that in the future though.
Hi Ken ! thanks for all. I would know if is possible to buy the advanced card set in ebook format or something like that because the shipping charges regard my country are really high.
I sent an email to ‘observer’, in case he is interested in connecting with you.
You figured out how to count the side bets?
That’s extremely lucrative.
Can we talk?
I agree. The true count must be calculated in when deciding wether to hit or stay during a hand. Rigidly adhering to bs doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Or so it seems
I’ve played my fair share of blackjack in actual casinos. Many of it counting cards. This happens nearly every time. It’s a real pisser….you put all that time and effort into learning how to count cards only to realize the count is negative so often and usually right out of the gate. It’s very seldom the count goes high or in your favor. Counting cards certainly works but if you’re careful not to expose yourself by betting large amounts while the count is high you end up barely getting by. I’ve been working on progressive betting strategies for years now with no luck finding the perfect one.