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Ken, years ago I counted using HiLo. I would like to start counting again recreationally when I go to Vegas or a day trip to AC. I am trying KO because there is no need to estimate the number of decks in the discard tray. But I find the the increased negative counts hard to deal with and it is easier to know when I have an advantage using HiLo and the betting table is easier to remember. What would you advise for a recreational player, put up with deck estimation or get over negative numbers and unintuitive betting strategies? How accurate do I need to be at deck estimation?
KO really does perform favorably compared to Hi-Lo, so I think it is a very reasonable choice. Most people who choose KO end up adjusting the starting count and the key numbers up by enough to eliminate most of the negative running counts. That is a good plan.
Even so, I always personally preferred balanced counts despite the need to convert to a true count. With KO, you really can’t reliably know how big your edge is, just whether you have an edge or not. That bothered me, although the sims confirm it’s not a big deal. While deck estimation accuracy does matter, you will be fine if your accuracy is pretty reliable to one deck.
If mgm goes to $10.00 parking, and the price of gas stays where it’s at (below $3.00) and they keep pushing this 6/5 business, and union pressure in a RTW state, these high priced execs better start checking how far away the competion is.lol Not to mention a 20% rake and increase in food and room rates. Should help out the taxi business, but the indians and out of staters might get tired of that long drive for a 20$ hamburger at micky dees.
First MLife stopped table game express comp earning, and now they plan to charge for parking. Vegas is becoming a far different place. Once Vegas casinos’ non-gaming revenue eclipsed gaming revenue, we could have seen this trend coming.
Basic strategy is to stand with 13v2. But as the index numbers above indicate, you should hit this hand if the true count is -2 or worse. Stand at -1 or better, which matches basic strategy.
Hello, I want to ask about the true count, after a round has been done, for example we have a +6 running count and 3 decks haven’t been played, the true count is +2 . But when we start a new round, where shoulld I start counting? From 0 again or continue the +6 running count that I have before? Thank you
very much
Да, вам все равно следует разделить тузы. Описанное вами правило используется почти во всех казино. Блэкджек возможен только на первых двух картах, но не после сплита. Если вы вытянете десятку к разделенному тузу, рука будет обычной 21, и не будет оплачиваться 3:2. Кроме того, при сплите тузов вам будет сдана только одна карта на каждую руку. (Некоторые казино разрешают повторный сплит, если эта карта - другой туз). Даже с учетом этих ограничений сплит тузов все равно является правильной игрой.
Great site for practicing “best odds plays” for all situations. However, there seems to be a flaw in the Strategy Coach. I played 6-deck, H17, Late Surrender. Contrary to the correct recommendations on the Strategy Engine, the Coach kept telling me to surrender when I faced a dealer Ace when I had hard counts of 12, 13, and 14.
Существует довольно много онлайн-казино, предлагающих живые игры. К сожалению, насколько я знаю, ни одно из них пока не доступно в двух штатах США, где онлайн-казино легальны (Делавэр и Нью-Джерси). Я пробовал играть в такие игры много лет назад, до изменения закона в 2006 году. В то время они были мучительно медленными, скорее всего, не более 30 рук в час. Сейчас я не могу участвовать, но надеюсь, что они улучшили скорость. Вы должны иметь возможность наблюдать и видеть, как происходит тасование и как глубоко сдаются карты, чтобы решить, стоит ли это того.
I agree with Shack on his final verdict… The third baseman myth won’t ever be dispelled, facts be damned. Some people just need a scapegoat for their losses.
It’s just a close call, and the optimal basic strategy happens to change between S17 and H17. Yet the index numbers round to the same value. Just another of the subtleties that emerge from the game.
Sure…
With Hard 17vs Ace, surrender if you can. If you cannot surrender, the “stand” index is -5, meaning stand if the true count is -5 or better. Only when the true count is worse than -5 should you hit.
With 88vAce, surrender if you can. If you cannot surrender, the “split” index is -2. Split if the true count is -2 or better. If the true count is -3 or worse, you should hit instead of stand.
Michael Shackleford, A.S.A., a professional actuary who has made a career of analyzing casino games, sees your statement as myth. He runs the numbers on new games for casinos and game developers and has helped design many of the popular slot machines on the Internet.
In his own words…….
“Unless you are a card counter, how other players play should not affect what you do. Basic strategy players should stick to the basic strategy no matter how badly the other players play. Other players are just as likely to help you as hurt you. In the end, it makes no difference how they play.”
“In ten years of running this site I steadfastly denied the myth that bad players cause other players to lose in blackjack. However, you are the lucky 1000th person to ask, so I took the trouble to prove it by random simulation. The rules I put in are the standard liberal Vegas Strip rules as follows.
6 палуб
Dealer stands on soft 17
Double on any first two cards allowed
Double after split allowed
Late surrender allowed
Player may re-split to four hands, including aces
Cut card used
First, I had both players follow correct total-dependent basic strategy. Over almost 1.6 billion rounds, the loss of the first player to act was 0.289%, and the second player to act of 0.288%.
Second, I had the first player follow the same correct strategy, and the second player follow the same correct strategy except:
Always hit 12 to 16
Always double 9 to 11
Split any pair
Never surrender
Never soft double
In a simulation of 1.05 billion hands the loss of the first player was 0.282%, and the second player was 11.260%. So the house edge of the basic strategy playing first player was almost the same, regardless of whether the second player played correctly or wildly incorrectly. I hope this puts and end the third baseman myth, but I doubt it. As I have said many times, the more ridiculous a belief is, the more tenaciously it tends to be held.”
ok thanks, I’ve gone back to Professional Blackjack and found the wider index ranges for H17 & S17 shoe games.
One last question (at least for now!) on Double Deck. On your Adv Charts the index value for A,3 vs 4 = 1 for both H17 & S17. However the basic strategy action is Hit (S17) and Dbl (H17). I know this scenario is a close one but what’s the reason for the differences in basic strategy between H17 & S17 despite the same index.
Ken, years ago I counted using HiLo. I would like to start counting again recreationally when I go to Vegas or a day trip to AC. I am trying KO because there is no need to estimate the number of decks in the discard tray. But I find the the increased negative counts hard to deal with and it is easier to know when I have an advantage using HiLo and the betting table is easier to remember. What would you advise for a recreational player, put up with deck estimation or get over negative numbers and unintuitive betting strategies? How accurate do I need to be at deck estimation?
KO really does perform favorably compared to Hi-Lo, so I think it is a very reasonable choice. Most people who choose KO end up adjusting the starting count and the key numbers up by enough to eliminate most of the negative running counts. That is a good plan.
Even so, I always personally preferred balanced counts despite the need to convert to a true count. With KO, you really can’t reliably know how big your edge is, just whether you have an edge or not. That bothered me, although the sims confirm it’s not a big deal. While deck estimation accuracy does matter, you will be fine if your accuracy is pretty reliable to one deck.
If mgm goes to $10.00 parking, and the price of gas stays where it’s at (below $3.00) and they keep pushing this 6/5 business, and union pressure in a RTW state, these high priced execs better start checking how far away the competion is.lol Not to mention a 20% rake and increase in food and room rates. Should help out the taxi business, but the indians and out of staters might get tired of that long drive for a 20$ hamburger at micky dees.
First MLife stopped table game express comp earning, and now they plan to charge for parking. Vegas is becoming a far different place. Once Vegas casinos’ non-gaming revenue eclipsed gaming revenue, we could have seen this trend coming.
Greatly appreciate your website. Many thanks. Hit en once more.
Привет,
Quick question, I thought you were always supposed to stand 13v2?
спасибо
Basic strategy is to stand with 13v2. But as the index numbers above indicate, you should hit this hand if the true count is -2 or worse. Stand at -1 or better, which matches basic strategy.
Hello, I want to ask about the true count, after a round has been done, for example we have a +6 running count and 3 decks haven’t been played, the true count is +2 . But when we start a new round, where shoulld I start counting? From 0 again or continue the +6 running count that I have before? Thank you
very much
Maintain the running count until the dealer shuffles, carrying it forward from hand to hand. When the dealer shuffles, start over at zero.
Если казино не выплачивает 3 к 2 за блэкджек после сплита тузов, продолжаем ли мы сплитовать пару тузов?
Да, вам все равно следует разделить тузы. Описанное вами правило используется почти во всех казино. Блэкджек возможен только на первых двух картах, но не после сплита. Если вы вытянете десятку к разделенному тузу, рука будет обычной 21, и не будет оплачиваться 3:2. Кроме того, при сплите тузов вам будет сдана только одна карта на каждую руку. (Некоторые казино разрешают повторный сплит, если эта карта - другой туз). Даже с учетом этих ограничений сплит тузов все равно является правильной игрой.
Great site for practicing “best odds plays” for all situations. However, there seems to be a flaw in the Strategy Coach. I played 6-deck, H17, Late Surrender. Contrary to the correct recommendations on the Strategy Engine, the Coach kept telling me to surrender when I faced a dealer Ace when I had hard counts of 12, 13, and 14.
Существует довольно много онлайн-казино, предлагающих живые игры. К сожалению, насколько я знаю, ни одно из них пока не доступно в двух штатах США, где онлайн-казино легальны (Делавэр и Нью-Джерси). Я пробовал играть в такие игры много лет назад, до изменения закона в 2006 году. В то время они были мучительно медленными, скорее всего, не более 30 рук в час. Сейчас я не могу участвовать, но надеюсь, что они улучшили скорость. Вы должны иметь возможность наблюдать и видеть, как происходит тасование и как глубоко сдаются карты, чтобы решить, стоит ли это того.
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I agree with Shack on his final verdict… The third baseman myth won’t ever be dispelled, facts be damned. Some people just need a scapegoat for their losses.
It’s just a close call, and the optimal basic strategy happens to change between S17 and H17. Yet the index numbers round to the same value. Just another of the subtleties that emerge from the game.
That makes a lot of sense now. Thank you for your quick response.
Sure…
With Hard 17vs Ace, surrender if you can. If you cannot surrender, the “stand” index is -5, meaning stand if the true count is -5 or better. Only when the true count is worse than -5 should you hit.
With 88vAce, surrender if you can. If you cannot surrender, the “split” index is -2. Split if the true count is -2 or better. If the true count is -3 or worse, you should hit instead of stand.
Michael Shackleford, A.S.A., a professional actuary who has made a career of analyzing casino games, sees your statement as myth. He runs the numbers on new games for casinos and game developers and has helped design many of the popular slot machines on the Internet.
In his own words…….
“Unless you are a card counter, how other players play should not affect what you do. Basic strategy players should stick to the basic strategy no matter how badly the other players play. Other players are just as likely to help you as hurt you. In the end, it makes no difference how they play.”
“In ten years of running this site I steadfastly denied the myth that bad players cause other players to lose in blackjack. However, you are the lucky 1000th person to ask, so I took the trouble to prove it by random simulation. The rules I put in are the standard liberal Vegas Strip rules as follows.
6 палуб
Dealer stands on soft 17
Double on any first two cards allowed
Double after split allowed
Late surrender allowed
Player may re-split to four hands, including aces
Cut card used
First, I had both players follow correct total-dependent basic strategy. Over almost 1.6 billion rounds, the loss of the first player to act was 0.289%, and the second player to act of 0.288%.
Second, I had the first player follow the same correct strategy, and the second player follow the same correct strategy except:
Always hit 12 to 16
Always double 9 to 11
Split any pair
Never surrender
Never soft double
In a simulation of 1.05 billion hands the loss of the first player was 0.282%, and the second player was 11.260%. So the house edge of the basic strategy playing first player was almost the same, regardless of whether the second player played correctly or wildly incorrectly. I hope this puts and end the third baseman myth, but I doubt it. As I have said many times, the more ridiculous a belief is, the more tenaciously it tends to be held.”
ok thanks, I’ve gone back to Professional Blackjack and found the wider index ranges for H17 & S17 shoe games.
One last question (at least for now!) on Double Deck. On your Adv Charts the index value for A,3 vs 4 = 1 for both H17 & S17. However the basic strategy action is Hit (S17) and Dbl (H17). I know this scenario is a close one but what’s the reason for the differences in basic strategy between H17 & S17 despite the same index.
Спасибо!