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Single deck, S17, DAS, 15 vs 10. According to your B.S. generator I should hit, but this tells me I should surrender. What it the correct play? Does the discrepancy have to do with hand composition? (I had king-5)
The correct strategy is hit. I checked the source for the trainer, and it does appear this is a bug.
In 2 or more decks S17 LS, you should surrender 15vT. In 1 deck S17 LS, you should hit.
The trainer is inaccurate, only in the one deck version.
Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll make sure it is corrected in the new software.
As the GameMaster writes, in the 6D S17 game, you should stand with A7vA at TC +1 or higher.
(Note that in H17 games, you should ALWAYS hit, no matter what the count.)
You ask what is the logic behind the index of +1 in S17 games?
Well, fewer small cards make standing better in two different ways. Fewer sixes mean less chance that the dealer has a six in the hole to give you an immediate win. And fewer 2s and 3s mean less chance of improving your A7 hand by hitting.
But generally, don’t worry too much about the “why” of index numbers or basic strategy. It just is what it is.
Thanks to this question, I also just discovered that my Advanced Strategy cards are missing this index! The next printing will correct that.
Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking there would be no harm in a hitting if the odds were high that you would receive a 10. However, I suppose is there is still a good chance of receiving a 7, 8, or 9, which would put you in a bad situation with a positive count. Thanks!
Yes, basic strategy is the best way to play your hands, whether shuffled by hand or by machine, including continuous shuffle machines.
As for card counting, continuous shuffle machines eliminate the ability to count cards, but regular shuffle machines do not.
Was in Vegas May 20-23. Bally’s has 3-2, 8 deck shoe, DH soft 17 & surrender. Started at $10 and progressively increased to $25 before I left. No grandfathering of bets though.
Last time I played in Missouri may have been 15 years ago. At that time, they still had a $500/hour buyin limit (I think that was abolished long ago.)
The games were fine though. I can’t say about the current situation. Let us know what you find.
È corretto, ma solo in caso di mazzo singolo. In un solo mazzo, colpisci una mano di (7,8)vT, ma rinuncia a tutte le altre mani di 15vT.
Perché? Beh, la tua mano di (7,8) non include nessuna delle carte che vorresti ricevere come carta vincente, mentre gli altri 15 sì.
Anche in questo caso, ciò è importante solo nel mazzo singolo, dove l'effetto di una singola carta fa una maggiore differenza.
Perdonami perché sono un principiante. Quindi, quando si contano le carte, più il conteggio è negativo, più sarebbe vantaggioso colpire il (7,8) poiché si cercano il 5 e il 6 dalle altre 15 combinazioni difficili del giocatore.
Sì, un conteggio negativo significa che è più probabile che tu riesca a migliorare la mano colpendo. Tuttavia, questo effetto è in qualche modo compensato dal fatto che anche il banco ha meno probabilità di foldare se ha una carta piccola in meno. Ma l'idea è giusta.
In una partita 6D H17, dovresti raggiungere 15vT con conteggi negativi, ma arrenderti con conteggi reali di 0 o più.
Perché dovresti accettare l'assicurazione con un conteggio di 3? Rimarrebbero 16 opportunità per il BJ del banco (10s) e 33 opportunità di perdere la scommessa di assicurazione (non-10s) per ogni mazzo. Vincerete la scommessa assicurativa solo 32,7% delle volte. Ciò lascia una vincita complessiva di -2,0%. O state usando un metodo di conteggio diverso? Un conteggio di +4 mi sembrerebbe l'ovvio punto di pareggio.
WOW! Vegas is absolute shit now! And I keep dreaming about going there and trying out their blackjack tables. I currently reside in Hong Kong so I go to Macau to play and they have some, what I feel, pretty awesome rules namely: 50% surrender (unless dealer shows ace), black jack even pay (if you choose 1 to 1 surrender), Push on dealer and player blackjack, BJ pay out is 3-2, doubling after splitting is allowed, can double on any hand (some casinos only allows you to double at 11). And no tipping (house rules); if you tip, it goes directly to the casino.
I also went to Singapore Universal Studios and they have a casino there. They play Pontoon which is pretty awesome as well. All rules are the same except no “50% surrender of hands” but they have a nice perk of any 21 or black jack is an auto-win. So, for example, if dealer is showing an “A” and you have 10 and 2 and draw a 9 to reach a total of “21”, then you collect right away. How awesome is that!?
Anyway, I’ve only started playing recently. Good luck guys!
Single deck, S17, DAS, 15 vs 10. According to your B.S. generator I should hit, but this tells me I should surrender. What it the correct play? Does the discrepancy have to do with hand composition? (I had king-5)
The correct strategy is hit. I checked the source for the trainer, and it does appear this is a bug.
In 2 or more decks S17 LS, you should surrender 15vT. In 1 deck S17 LS, you should hit.
The trainer is inaccurate, only in the one deck version.
Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll make sure it is corrected in the new software.
Here’s the accurate strategy chart you mentioned…
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/?numdecks=1&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ls&peek=yes
Can somebody please explain the logic behind staying on A,7 vs A with a TC of 1 or greater? Thanks
As the GameMaster writes, in the 6D S17 game, you should stand with A7vA at TC +1 or higher.
(Note that in H17 games, you should ALWAYS hit, no matter what the count.)
You ask what is the logic behind the index of +1 in S17 games?
Well, fewer small cards make standing better in two different ways. Fewer sixes mean less chance that the dealer has a six in the hole to give you an immediate win. And fewer 2s and 3s mean less chance of improving your A7 hand by hitting.
But generally, don’t worry too much about the “why” of index numbers or basic strategy. It just is what it is.
Thanks to this question, I also just discovered that my Advanced Strategy cards are missing this index! The next printing will correct that.
Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking there would be no harm in a hitting if the odds were high that you would receive a 10. However, I suppose is there is still a good chance of receiving a 7, 8, or 9, which would put you in a bad situation with a positive count. Thanks!
8 Decks Machine wash You can use it
Yes, basic strategy is the best way to play your hands, whether shuffled by hand or by machine, including continuous shuffle machines.
As for card counting, continuous shuffle machines eliminate the ability to count cards, but regular shuffle machines do not.
grazie
Was in Vegas May 20-23. Bally’s has 3-2, 8 deck shoe, DH soft 17 & surrender. Started at $10 and progressively increased to $25 before I left. No grandfathering of bets though.
I plan on going to the Missouri casinos for blackjack. Are they beatable in the long run?
Last time I played in Missouri may have been 15 years ago. At that time, they still had a $500/hour buyin limit (I think that was abolished long ago.)
The games were fine though. I can’t say about the current situation. Let us know what you find.
Just to be sure.. 15 vs 8 – Stand at 10 or higher, you mean the running count right? I’m confused ..
No, all strategy indexes use the true count not the running count. Stand with 15v8 at True count of 10 or higher (not common at all).
Ho visto suggerire che si dovrebbe cedere un 15 difficile al 10 del banco, tranne quando il 15 del giocatore è (7,8). È vero? Se sì, perché?
È corretto, ma solo in caso di mazzo singolo. In un solo mazzo, colpisci una mano di (7,8)vT, ma rinuncia a tutte le altre mani di 15vT.
Perché? Beh, la tua mano di (7,8) non include nessuna delle carte che vorresti ricevere come carta vincente, mentre gli altri 15 sì.
Anche in questo caso, ciò è importante solo nel mazzo singolo, dove l'effetto di una singola carta fa una maggiore differenza.
Perdonami perché sono un principiante. Quindi, quando si contano le carte, più il conteggio è negativo, più sarebbe vantaggioso colpire il (7,8) poiché si cercano il 5 e il 6 dalle altre 15 combinazioni difficili del giocatore.
Sì, un conteggio negativo significa che è più probabile che tu riesca a migliorare la mano colpendo. Tuttavia, questo effetto è in qualche modo compensato dal fatto che anche il banco ha meno probabilità di foldare se ha una carta piccola in meno. Ma l'idea è giusta.
In una partita 6D H17, dovresti raggiungere 15vT con conteggi negativi, ma arrenderti con conteggi reali di 0 o più.
Ciao,
qualcuno sa in quali casinò europei è disponibile l'opzione surrender? Sto pianificando un viaggio e opterò per i posti che consentono ES o LS.
Grazie per l'aiuto!
Perché dovresti accettare l'assicurazione con un conteggio di 3? Rimarrebbero 16 opportunità per il BJ del banco (10s) e 33 opportunità di perdere la scommessa di assicurazione (non-10s) per ogni mazzo. Vincerete la scommessa assicurativa solo 32,7% delle volte. Ciò lascia una vincita complessiva di -2,0%. O state usando un metodo di conteggio diverso? Un conteggio di +4 mi sembrerebbe l'ovvio punto di pareggio.
WOW! Vegas is absolute shit now! And I keep dreaming about going there and trying out their blackjack tables. I currently reside in Hong Kong so I go to Macau to play and they have some, what I feel, pretty awesome rules namely: 50% surrender (unless dealer shows ace), black jack even pay (if you choose 1 to 1 surrender), Push on dealer and player blackjack, BJ pay out is 3-2, doubling after splitting is allowed, can double on any hand (some casinos only allows you to double at 11). And no tipping (house rules); if you tip, it goes directly to the casino.
I also went to Singapore Universal Studios and they have a casino there. They play Pontoon which is pretty awesome as well. All rules are the same except no “50% surrender of hands” but they have a nice perk of any 21 or black jack is an auto-win. So, for example, if dealer is showing an “A” and you have 10 and 2 and draw a 9 to reach a total of “21”, then you collect right away. How awesome is that!?
Anyway, I’ve only started playing recently. Good luck guys!