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Ma non ne vale la pena se si contano le carte? Se significa giocare in un gioco a un solo mazzo, non significa che si recupera la differenza e anche qualcosa? Dipende dalla posizione della carta tagliata e dal numero di altri giocatori al tavolo, nonché dalla puntata minima e massima, ma sono appena stato in un casinò che aveva una puntata minima di 10 e massima di 200 su un gioco del genere. Non ci ho giocato perché non ero preparato e ho pensato che, anche se ce l'avessi fatta, sarebbe stato un modo rapido per uscire dal locale, puntando 10 o 200 ad ogni mano; il gioco a 2 mazzi sembrava più attraente.
I’ve noticed the same thing as Benjamin. The cards are coming “pre packed”. Can’t help but wonder if there is a certain mathematically proven way to stack the deck. When you arrive to the tables in Vegas the cards are splayed out in a “display” kind of way.
Pay attention now: YOU NEVER SEE THEM GET SHUFFLED IN FRONT OF YOU ON A NEW DECK.
I walked up to an empty table at MANDALAY BAY , cashed 2 grand in chips , asked the dealer or to shuffle the cards in front of me. The nasty little Vietnamese bitch refused got major rude attitude and yelled the cards were shuffled already why you want shuffle again i no unda stand nobody ask that why you saying shuffle …. On and on and on … I called over pit boss and told him my play isn’t starting until I see the cards are shuffled.
Pit boss sided with dealer and said she already shuffled them she doesn’t have to show you she shuffled.
I said NO and left they demanded i color out my chips (change green 25s to black 100s) I said i don’t HAVE to color up and stormed out.
I only play large sports betting or tiny roulette amounts now – or video black jack. I will not play reg blackjack on strip unless it’s only for a small stop loss or there is a hot single girl sitting alone. I strongly suspect the casinos are pre shuffling the decks or doing something nefarious – because the difference in losses between the strip and downtown is night and day.
It’s COMMON for me lose 4, 5 , 10 hands in a row at MGM and Ceasers properties – COMMON … I will literally sit down and lose money AND i always look for tables with nobody there so there always a new deck and i always lose ….. It’s not probable and other people are saying the same thing. I’m not a card counter i just really hate playing with other people (strangers) since I’m not there for the fake social hour hello goodbye I’ll never see you again in my life kind if thing – I’m there to win money. Again:
1) Strip Properties Only
2) MGM and Caesars Only
3) Brand new deck only
I didn’t realize they were not shuffling in front of me until I noticed the cards were all splayed out on the tables for display.
rarely has this happened downtown. Whenever i play Cortez it’s always ups and downs and cortez ALWAYS shuffles in front of you by hand with the original blackjack rules.
I 100% agree with Benjamin something is not right with Black Jack on the strip
And another thing .. Fuck these dealers. Most of them are “nice” enough but cannot even speak correct English !! Vegas is importing cheap labor to cut out the job market and profit on the backs for poor 3rd world and developing H1B1s who are in a new country far from home and Scared to speak up.
That’s how these people like Sheldon Alsdale and Wynn – want the world to be. Remember the song from the famous goth band Nine Inch Nails:
“god money I’ll do anything for you … god money just tell me what you want me too ….. god money dances on the backs of the bruised … god moneys not one to choose”
NONE of the old timers can tell me hey have not noticed these huge and obvious changes over the past 50 years which has ruined the entire Vegas experience. everything from the class of employees, imported dealers , rude pit bosses , asshole security staff , sky high prices and the worst – a non stop roller coaster of nickel and diming .
.. I will take Vegas 50 years ago over Vegas today any day.
Il tuo scenario prevede una quantità uguale di carte bust e di carte make. Ma non è sempre così: se il banco ha un 16, ci sono più bust card che make card in una shoe neutrale.
Per questo motivo, la terza base ha una probabilità più alta di prendere una carta che avrebbe fatto il bust al banco. E, una volta che ciò accade, le probabilità del mazziere di ottenere una carta bust si riducono.
E nel caso in cui il giocatore peschi una delle poche carte piccole, la possibilità che il banco faccia busting aumenta, giusto? Gli effetti dei due risultati si compensano completamente, e il risultato netto è una variazione nulla della percentuale di probabilità che il banco vada in bancarotta.
Mi chiedete se non vi sfugge qualcosa. Sì, continua a pensare. Le azioni della terza base non contano. Punto.
Quote: “So, here’s the betting schedule I worked out for a $3000 bankroll. Bear in mind that as the bankroll increases (or decreases), the schedule must be changed in order to keep the risk of ‘gambler’s ruin’ about the same. I will modify the schedule at $1000 increments; that is, if I win $1000, I’ll refigure the betting schedule by remultiplying all the percentages by $4000. On the other hand, if I choose to spend my profits, I’ll just continue to operate with the original schedule. In the unlikely event that I hit a big losing streak (how’s that for positive thinking?) I really couldn’t downsize the bets very much. As long as the bank remains above $2000, I’ll stick with this schedule. If it should go below $2000, I’d quit until I could build the bank up again.”
The realities of this confuse me. Bankrolling 3000 but only exposing 1000 in reality, does strange things to my mind when calculating willful bets, unless this is blatantly stated to be “And then I will go elsewhere and re-win myself to 3000 using my remaining bankroll”
Am I correct in assuming this is the modus operandi?
Auguro a lui e alla sua famiglia il meglio. In poche settimane lui (e voi per estensione e anche per intuizioni dirette, portando le sue informazioni ai ritardatari come me) mi ha portato dal pensare "Questo sembra statisticamente calcolabile" (e anche ahi, i miei soldi da spendere!) a "Dovrei fermarmi alla doppia puntata stasera o no".
Just got back from Ceasers Palance. Tested my suspicions again.
1) New Deck
2) Deck Spread out
3) Deck placed in shoe and never shuffled in front of me
4) EMPTY TABLE – I was the only player at the table
IMMEDIATLY LOST 7 HANDS IN A ROW STRAIGHT !!!! Per this website – odds of this are 1.1% or 1 in 90 !!!!!
My suspicion has again been confirmed. However I have NO EVIDENCE other than circumstance. So I need to know if anyone else has experienced this.
I’m wondering if the casinos are setting up the new decks in a mathmatically predetermined way which give the dealer an edge if they are not shuffled good enough.
Anyone comment on this? I don’t want to hear oh your an idiot. ALLOT of math research goes into Casinos and they have BILLIONS at thier disposal – basically infinate money to see if there is a way to get a new deck in a preset way that mathmatically give them a huge edge.
IF you have the time and money to test this – give it a try on 5 sessions and see if 3-4 lose money. AGAIN this is how you do it:
1) Empty Table – Table must be EMPTY
2) Cards spread out on table
3) New Deck (if the cards are spread out on the table it means IT IS A NEW DECK)
4) YOU NEVER SEE DEALER SHUFFLE THE CARDS. THEY SIMPLY PUT THE CARDS IN THE SHOE AND START DEALING.
Follow these steps as an experiment (if you have the time, money and are interested) and record your results. Most of you probably won’t do this but if I’m wrong – you have no reason not to.
I am suspicious because the odds of this happening WITH the same environmental variables I just listed must be very, very low.
I am wondering, if the casinos are engaged in a legal conspiracy to “legally defruad” players based on the above.
If I’m the only one – fine. However I’ve been talking to other people and they have noticed the same thing.
Again – I’m not willing to say anything for sure – at this point is an ongoing experiment. I’m going to go to other casinos and try this AGAIN and record my results under the same conditions.
Vorrei che il mio dum come avrebbe chiesto e imparare alil più sul gioco prima di sprecare 3.000 lassù perché come si scommette contro la mano del rivenditore e perdere poi qualcuno elae passo in e vincere tutti i modi kinda ...
El Cortez fa ancora single-deck 3:2 DA split 4x, senza DAS e senza resplit aces (ahi, ma mi ha fatto male solo una volta). Giocate solo un buon gioco di copertura e fate un po' di bangering. La gente parla di essere investita come un cane e si riferisce a questo locale come The Sweaty Spaniard, ma io ho fatto 200 up e 300 up in giorni consecutivi con spread ASSOLUTAMENTE FOLLI (intendo dire che ho fatto red chipping fino a fare 75 o 150 drop) e poiché di tanto in tanto ho splittato 10 come un pazzo, non ho mai ricevuto nulla di più di un "Buona fortuna! :D" dal dealer o dai pitbull. Ho anche portato un foglio di strategia di base su un foglio 8,5×11 che non solo mi aiuta a giocare (contare per me è molto più facile che memorizzare la BStrat) ma aiuta anche la mia copertura. Ingoiando l'orgoglio, mostrando un po' di emozione, si possono fare soldi, secondo i miei calcoli.
Tuttavia, sono davvero nuovo a tutto questo, quindi le mie parole possono essere prese non con un granello, ma con un'intera miniera di sale.
No, l'opzione non è quale carta vuoi che prenda. L'opzione è che non prenda nessuna carta. Perché in un mazzo neutrale ci sono più carte che rompono un 16 che carte che lo fanno. Quindi, è più probabile che la prossima carta, indipendentemente da dove la si prende dal mazzo, sia una carta scoperta. Se il giocatore prende quella carta, le probabilità che il mazziere ottenga una carta busta diminuiscono.
Non capisco la sua domanda. Hai dichiarato di avere più di 21 e poi hai detto: "Avevo 15, ho colpito e ho preso un asso". Quindi cos'è che avevi più di 21 o 16?
Counting cards feels worthless with 6-5 Blackjack taking over the entire strip and downtown. Even El Cortez 6-5 blackjack tables are expanding.
People are so so so so stupid they literally see “6-5” and think it’s more than “3-2” because their “feelings” told them it was bigger.
It is proof how stupid people are today. I don’t care if you give everyone a fake grading curve group grades college degree. This is undeniable prof most people are dumb as a post when it comes to basic math and by the way MOST college degrees require some kind of College level Algebra , Calculus as a prerequisite for graduation.
Ma non ne vale la pena se si contano le carte? Se significa giocare in un gioco a un solo mazzo, non significa che si recupera la differenza e anche qualcosa? Dipende dalla posizione della carta tagliata e dal numero di altri giocatori al tavolo, nonché dalla puntata minima e massima, ma sono appena stato in un casinò che aveva una puntata minima di 10 e massima di 200 su un gioco del genere. Non ci ho giocato perché non ero preparato e ho pensato che, anche se ce l'avessi fatta, sarebbe stato un modo rapido per uscire dal locale, puntando 10 o 200 ad ogni mano; il gioco a 2 mazzi sembrava più attraente.
Quando si gioca con la strategia di base al blackjack, è necessario piazzare sempre la stessa puntata o è saggio giocare anche puntate più grandi?
So where is this wonderful efficiency calculator? I don’t see it anywhere.
You’re probably on a device that doesn’t support Flash. Try from your desktop browser.
There is no provision for a side count of aces?
Ok, I used it but there is no provision for an Ace side count.
I’ve noticed the same thing as Benjamin. The cards are coming “pre packed”. Can’t help but wonder if there is a certain mathematically proven way to stack the deck. When you arrive to the tables in Vegas the cards are splayed out in a “display” kind of way.
Pay attention now: YOU NEVER SEE THEM GET SHUFFLED IN FRONT OF YOU ON A NEW DECK.
I walked up to an empty table at MANDALAY BAY , cashed 2 grand in chips , asked the dealer or to shuffle the cards in front of me. The nasty little Vietnamese bitch refused got major rude attitude and yelled the cards were shuffled already why you want shuffle again i no unda stand nobody ask that why you saying shuffle …. On and on and on … I called over pit boss and told him my play isn’t starting until I see the cards are shuffled.
Pit boss sided with dealer and said she already shuffled them she doesn’t have to show you she shuffled.
I said NO and left they demanded i color out my chips (change green 25s to black 100s) I said i don’t HAVE to color up and stormed out.
I only play large sports betting or tiny roulette amounts now – or video black jack. I will not play reg blackjack on strip unless it’s only for a small stop loss or there is a hot single girl sitting alone. I strongly suspect the casinos are pre shuffling the decks or doing something nefarious – because the difference in losses between the strip and downtown is night and day.
It’s COMMON for me lose 4, 5 , 10 hands in a row at MGM and Ceasers properties – COMMON … I will literally sit down and lose money AND i always look for tables with nobody there so there always a new deck and i always lose ….. It’s not probable and other people are saying the same thing. I’m not a card counter i just really hate playing with other people (strangers) since I’m not there for the fake social hour hello goodbye I’ll never see you again in my life kind if thing – I’m there to win money. Again:
1) Strip Properties Only
2) MGM and Caesars Only
3) Brand new deck only
I didn’t realize they were not shuffling in front of me until I noticed the cards were all splayed out on the tables for display.
rarely has this happened downtown. Whenever i play Cortez it’s always ups and downs and cortez ALWAYS shuffles in front of you by hand with the original blackjack rules.
I 100% agree with Benjamin something is not right with Black Jack on the strip
And another thing .. Fuck these dealers. Most of them are “nice” enough but cannot even speak correct English !! Vegas is importing cheap labor to cut out the job market and profit on the backs for poor 3rd world and developing H1B1s who are in a new country far from home and Scared to speak up.
That’s how these people like Sheldon Alsdale and Wynn – want the world to be. Remember the song from the famous goth band Nine Inch Nails:
“god money I’ll do anything for you … god money just tell me what you want me too ….. god money dances on the backs of the bruised … god moneys not one to choose”
NONE of the old timers can tell me hey have not noticed these huge and obvious changes over the past 50 years which has ruined the entire Vegas experience. everything from the class of employees, imported dealers , rude pit bosses , asshole security staff , sky high prices and the worst – a non stop roller coaster of nickel and diming .
.. I will take Vegas 50 years ago over Vegas today any day.
Tell me i am making this up .
Ken,
Il tuo scenario prevede una quantità uguale di carte bust e di carte make. Ma non è sempre così: se il banco ha un 16, ci sono più bust card che make card in una shoe neutrale.
Per questo motivo, la terza base ha una probabilità più alta di prendere una carta che avrebbe fatto il bust al banco. E, una volta che ciò accade, le probabilità del mazziere di ottenere una carta bust si riducono.
Sono felice di sapere se mi sfugge qualcosa.
E nel caso in cui il giocatore peschi una delle poche carte piccole, la possibilità che il banco faccia busting aumenta, giusto? Gli effetti dei due risultati si compensano completamente, e il risultato netto è una variazione nulla della percentuale di probabilità che il banco vada in bancarotta.
Mi chiedete se non vi sfugge qualcosa. Sì, continua a pensare. Le azioni della terza base non contano. Punto.
Quote: “So, here’s the betting schedule I worked out for a $3000 bankroll. Bear in mind that as the bankroll increases (or decreases), the schedule must be changed in order to keep the risk of ‘gambler’s ruin’ about the same. I will modify the schedule at $1000 increments; that is, if I win $1000, I’ll refigure the betting schedule by remultiplying all the percentages by $4000. On the other hand, if I choose to spend my profits, I’ll just continue to operate with the original schedule. In the unlikely event that I hit a big losing streak (how’s that for positive thinking?) I really couldn’t downsize the bets very much. As long as the bank remains above $2000, I’ll stick with this schedule. If it should go below $2000, I’d quit until I could build the bank up again.”
The realities of this confuse me. Bankrolling 3000 but only exposing 1000 in reality, does strange things to my mind when calculating willful bets, unless this is blatantly stated to be “And then I will go elsewhere and re-win myself to 3000 using my remaining bankroll”
Am I correct in assuming this is the modus operandi?
Auguro a lui e alla sua famiglia il meglio. In poche settimane lui (e voi per estensione e anche per intuizioni dirette, portando le sue informazioni ai ritardatari come me) mi ha portato dal pensare "Questo sembra statisticamente calcolabile" (e anche ahi, i miei soldi da spendere!) a "Dovrei fermarmi alla doppia puntata stasera o no".
Grazie Bill e grazie Ken.
Just got back from Ceasers Palance. Tested my suspicions again.
1) New Deck
2) Deck Spread out
3) Deck placed in shoe and never shuffled in front of me
4) EMPTY TABLE – I was the only player at the table
IMMEDIATLY LOST 7 HANDS IN A ROW STRAIGHT !!!! Per this website – odds of this are 1.1% or 1 in 90 !!!!!
My suspicion has again been confirmed. However I have NO EVIDENCE other than circumstance. So I need to know if anyone else has experienced this.
I’m wondering if the casinos are setting up the new decks in a mathmatically predetermined way which give the dealer an edge if they are not shuffled good enough.
Anyone comment on this? I don’t want to hear oh your an idiot. ALLOT of math research goes into Casinos and they have BILLIONS at thier disposal – basically infinate money to see if there is a way to get a new deck in a preset way that mathmatically give them a huge edge.
IF you have the time and money to test this – give it a try on 5 sessions and see if 3-4 lose money. AGAIN this is how you do it:
1) Empty Table – Table must be EMPTY
2) Cards spread out on table
3) New Deck (if the cards are spread out on the table it means IT IS A NEW DECK)
4) YOU NEVER SEE DEALER SHUFFLE THE CARDS. THEY SIMPLY PUT THE CARDS IN THE SHOE AND START DEALING.
Follow these steps as an experiment (if you have the time, money and are interested) and record your results. Most of you probably won’t do this but if I’m wrong – you have no reason not to.
I am suspicious because the odds of this happening WITH the same environmental variables I just listed must be very, very low.
I am wondering, if the casinos are engaged in a legal conspiracy to “legally defruad” players based on the above.
If I’m the only one – fine. However I’ve been talking to other people and they have noticed the same thing.
Again – I’m not willing to say anything for sure – at this point is an ongoing experiment. I’m going to go to other casinos and try this AGAIN and record my results under the same conditions.
Vorrei che il mio dum come avrebbe chiesto e imparare alil più sul gioco prima di sprecare 3.000 lassù perché come si scommette contro la mano del rivenditore e perdere poi qualcuno elae passo in e vincere tutti i modi kinda ...
El Cortez fa ancora single-deck 3:2 DA split 4x, senza DAS e senza resplit aces (ahi, ma mi ha fatto male solo una volta). Giocate solo un buon gioco di copertura e fate un po' di bangering. La gente parla di essere investita come un cane e si riferisce a questo locale come The Sweaty Spaniard, ma io ho fatto 200 up e 300 up in giorni consecutivi con spread ASSOLUTAMENTE FOLLI (intendo dire che ho fatto red chipping fino a fare 75 o 150 drop) e poiché di tanto in tanto ho splittato 10 come un pazzo, non ho mai ricevuto nulla di più di un "Buona fortuna! :D" dal dealer o dai pitbull. Ho anche portato un foglio di strategia di base su un foglio 8,5×11 che non solo mi aiuta a giocare (contare per me è molto più facile che memorizzare la BStrat) ma aiuta anche la mia copertura. Ingoiando l'orgoglio, mostrando un po' di emozione, si possono fare soldi, secondo i miei calcoli.
Tuttavia, sono davvero nuovo a tutto questo, quindi le mie parole possono essere prese non con un granello, ma con un'intera miniera di sale.
I guess math wasn’t your best subject in school.
I am a dealer on a strip casino and of you have a blackjack or …soft 11….and the dealer has a 5 or 6 showing you ALWAYS DOUBLE DOWN
No, l'opzione non è quale carta vuoi che prenda. L'opzione è che non prenda nessuna carta. Perché in un mazzo neutrale ci sono più carte che rompono un 16 che carte che lo fanno. Quindi, è più probabile che la prossima carta, indipendentemente da dove la si prende dal mazzo, sia una carta scoperta. Se il giocatore prende quella carta, le probabilità che il mazziere ottenga una carta busta diminuiscono.
Non capisco la sua domanda. Hai dichiarato di avere più di 21 e poi hai detto: "Avevo 15, ho colpito e ho preso un asso". Quindi cos'è che avevi più di 21 o 16?
Counting cards feels worthless with 6-5 Blackjack taking over the entire strip and downtown. Even El Cortez 6-5 blackjack tables are expanding.
People are so so so so stupid they literally see “6-5” and think it’s more than “3-2” because their “feelings” told them it was bigger.
It is proof how stupid people are today. I don’t care if you give everyone a fake grading curve group grades college degree. This is undeniable prof most people are dumb as a post when it comes to basic math and by the way MOST college degrees require some kind of College level Algebra , Calculus as a prerequisite for graduation.
Amico, la maggior parte del black jack online è truccato per essere onesti.