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Eh. What do you expect. The real opportunity ended in 1961 with the publication of Beat the Dealer. It’s a wonder blackjack was continued AT ALL after that. It’s just not the opportunity that exists any more. Every generation, there is an opportunity to get rich easily. Blackjack was the big opportunity in the first half of the 20th century, and it stopped being so once everyone knew how it could be beaten. Just as you might be wishing you could go back in time to the 1950s (you could probably count cards out loud and they’d never figure out what you were doing!) for a completely vulnerable 1-deck game with no maximum bet and probably a 1$ min bet, or even less than that since it’s 1950s dollars, and probably surrender available and probably the blackjack bonus for getting a 5-card 21 too, just imagine, someone in the year 2100 wishing he could go back in time to today to exploit a weakness that is somewhere, right under your nose, that you don’t know about. And once you learn about it, it will be because everyone will have learned about it, and then that opportunity will be gone.
Obviously casinos would eventually rig blackjack in some way though. I’m just surprised it took 50 years. Honestly, you don’t want to invest in casinos. They’re desperate, and if you check stock market history, they’ve been losing money for a long time. And it’s not all because Trump is retarded and drives all his businesses into the red.
No peek means that the dealer does not check for blackjack before the players complete their hands. It also applies in games where the dealer does not take a second card until all players are done. The reason it affects the strategy is because in the typical US-style peek game, players know for sure that dealer does not have a blackjack before making a decision to split or double down. In a no-peek game those moves are riskier against a dealer ten or ace, because you may lose all of the bets to a dealer blackjack.
Excellent forum here to start. I live down in Florida and just graduated with a degree in physics. There are several casinos down here but are all owned by the Seminole Tribe. I have mastered the Hi-Low system and keep track of the Ace’s via strategically placed chips in my stack. I play $25-$1000 spread @ Hit Soft 17 6-8 decks. I prefer to play with at least two other players as the speed and pressure is a little over my head-for now. My first run I bought in for $1,000 and made $3200.00 profit in about 4 hours. My max bet was about $150.00. I did this 3 more times and just cleared $9,000 in profit. I feel like this is too much to fast. Am i just getting lucky on top of the count?
I then proceeded to just have a fun in a skin pit ($10 min, 6:5, CSM) I bought in for $300.00 and walked away $2,355.00 and was counting and keeping track of the Aces and hands in between rich Ace hands.
Is there ever a added subconscious ability to memorize and sequence cards relative to the count. Maybe I just need to lose to feel good again but I’ve been almost nervous heading to the tables, I guess not knowing how to lose and how to react.
One more quick thing, what are your thoughts on automatic shufflers (where they put multiple decks in, not the One2Six machines on the table). I have come to love these machines. The cards always seem to have the right balance. Does anybody else hate hand shuffles?
Given that you were only spreading 1:6 in a six or eight deck game, you weren’t playing with an edge at all. And you were playing at a really big disadvantage when you switched to the 6:5 game. If you had instead been spreading maybe 1:12 in this game (and never played the 6:5 game), I would break down your $9K in profit as roughly $500 skill, $8500 luck.
You mention that you have mastered Hi-Lo, but it sounds like you still need to learn a lot. No worries, we all started where you are.
Just for reference, card counting will usually yield about 1 to 1.5 units an hour in expected profit. If you are spreading $25 to $300, that means making $25 to $40 per hour. Of course your actual results will be all over the place, easily up or down $3000 in a session.
Machine shuffles or hand shuffles don’t materially affect the game, except for more advanced techniques. Any trends you have noticed as a result are just noise.
Buy insurance at a true count of +3. (+2 in single deck.)
Split TTv5 at +5. Split TTv6 at +4. However, ten splits probably aren’t worth the extra attention they draw for most players.
Whether it’s worth splitting tens or not really depends on where you are playing, and how likely you are to have trouble because of it. If it causes you to get backed off, it’s certainly not worth it, no matter the count.
I don’t have surrender index numbers handy at the moment, so I’m no help on the latter question.
You also ask in another comment about whether you should play one hand or multiple hands at TC+10. Spreading to multiple hands has lots of benefits, so if you can, it’s probably a good thing. You don’t need a rare true count of +10 to do it either. 🙂
HI KEN!what is the meaning of advantage?for example,when true count is 5 the advantage is 2.0%x76%,equal to 1.5%,is that means we have 51.5%/48.5% Winrate,or just 50.75%/49.25% winrate?thank you very much!
Don’t bother trying to think about blackjack in terms of win rates, because it’s more complicated than that.
If we were betting on a coin flip, then an advantage of 1.5% would imply 50.75%/49.25%. But with blackjack your win rate never reaches 50%. You make your extra money because of splits, doubles and blackjacks. It’s complicated. Just know that if you have an edge of 1.5%, your expected long-run profit is $1.50 for every $100 you bet.
Hi ken !!thanks for the advise.after only one week of hard training i can keep follow easy the rc and many times to estimate the correct amount of cards that are in the tray so i am going to stick to the hi-lo.i see now how logical was your words that in now time the maximum target is just to make the correct betting for each hand based on the tc.after when i will be ready i will start thinking of deviations in b.s based on the index numbers.thanks for the response
Ken Smith hi again.sorry if i write in a wrong section but i want to ask two things.when the true count is high and its time for us to bet as back counters or betting more like players on the the table and there are three or five bases/players we bet where for better results ?first base ?the last one?or it dont matter.?second guestion i have read that to survive the long run and play all good luck and bad luck we need 50 times the max bet.if i decide to play flat bet of 5dollars it means that i need 250 dollars.right?at this fynny amount of money what profit per hour can u gain?000000.1 cents ????.and last in another post u answered me that its not how much hours a counter can play continiusly but how much he should play?please inlight us.if he plays more or less hours what the results?thanks for your time !!
All these with spread 5 /60 ????? If yes for each tc plus 1i raise two betting unit ?if was playing 10/100 spread that woud be twice times the numbers up?
Eh. What do you expect. The real opportunity ended in 1961 with the publication of Beat the Dealer. It’s a wonder blackjack was continued AT ALL after that. It’s just not the opportunity that exists any more. Every generation, there is an opportunity to get rich easily. Blackjack was the big opportunity in the first half of the 20th century, and it stopped being so once everyone knew how it could be beaten. Just as you might be wishing you could go back in time to the 1950s (you could probably count cards out loud and they’d never figure out what you were doing!) for a completely vulnerable 1-deck game with no maximum bet and probably a 1$ min bet, or even less than that since it’s 1950s dollars, and probably surrender available and probably the blackjack bonus for getting a 5-card 21 too, just imagine, someone in the year 2100 wishing he could go back in time to today to exploit a weakness that is somewhere, right under your nose, that you don’t know about. And once you learn about it, it will be because everyone will have learned about it, and then that opportunity will be gone.
Obviously casinos would eventually rig blackjack in some way though. I’m just surprised it took 50 years. Honestly, you don’t want to invest in casinos. They’re desperate, and if you check stock market history, they’ve been losing money for a long time. And it’s not all because Trump is retarded and drives all his businesses into the red.
what is the meaning of no peek?
No peek means that the dealer does not check for blackjack before the players complete their hands. It also applies in games where the dealer does not take a second card until all players are done. The reason it affects the strategy is because in the typical US-style peek game, players know for sure that dealer does not have a blackjack before making a decision to split or double down. In a no-peek game those moves are riskier against a dealer ten or ace, because you may lose all of the bets to a dealer blackjack.
Excellent forum here to start. I live down in Florida and just graduated with a degree in physics. There are several casinos down here but are all owned by the Seminole Tribe. I have mastered the Hi-Low system and keep track of the Ace’s via strategically placed chips in my stack. I play $25-$1000 spread @ Hit Soft 17 6-8 decks. I prefer to play with at least two other players as the speed and pressure is a little over my head-for now. My first run I bought in for $1,000 and made $3200.00 profit in about 4 hours. My max bet was about $150.00. I did this 3 more times and just cleared $9,000 in profit. I feel like this is too much to fast. Am i just getting lucky on top of the count?
I then proceeded to just have a fun in a skin pit ($10 min, 6:5, CSM) I bought in for $300.00 and walked away $2,355.00 and was counting and keeping track of the Aces and hands in between rich Ace hands.
Is there ever a added subconscious ability to memorize and sequence cards relative to the count. Maybe I just need to lose to feel good again but I’ve been almost nervous heading to the tables, I guess not knowing how to lose and how to react.
One more quick thing, what are your thoughts on automatic shufflers (where they put multiple decks in, not the One2Six machines on the table). I have come to love these machines. The cards always seem to have the right balance. Does anybody else hate hand shuffles?
Given that you were only spreading 1:6 in a six or eight deck game, you weren’t playing with an edge at all. And you were playing at a really big disadvantage when you switched to the 6:5 game. If you had instead been spreading maybe 1:12 in this game (and never played the 6:5 game), I would break down your $9K in profit as roughly $500 skill, $8500 luck.
You mention that you have mastered Hi-Lo, but it sounds like you still need to learn a lot. No worries, we all started where you are.
Just for reference, card counting will usually yield about 1 to 1.5 units an hour in expected profit. If you are spreading $25 to $300, that means making $25 to $40 per hour. Of course your actual results will be all over the place, easily up or down $3000 in a session.
Machine shuffles or hand shuffles don’t materially affect the game, except for more advanced techniques. Any trends you have noticed as a result are just noise.
when should we split 10.10?and when should we surrender while 17 against dealer’s hand 10?thanks a lot!!!
hi admin!!when should we buy insurance?thank you so much~~
Buy insurance at a true count of +3. (+2 in single deck.)
Split TTv5 at +5. Split TTv6 at +4. However, ten splits probably aren’t worth the extra attention they draw for most players.
thank you very much!you are so kind!Do you mean split ttv6 is not worth even at a true count of 10?
besides, can you tell me when should we surrender while 17vs10 and 18vs10,A5vs10,A6VS10,A7VS10?thank you!!!!
Whether it’s worth splitting tens or not really depends on where you are playing, and how likely you are to have trouble because of it. If it causes you to get backed off, it’s certainly not worth it, no matter the count.
I don’t have surrender index numbers handy at the moment, so I’m no help on the latter question.
You also ask in another comment about whether you should play one hand or multiple hands at TC+10. Spreading to multiple hands has lots of benefits, so if you can, it’s probably a good thing. You don’t need a rare true count of +10 to do it either. 🙂
thank you so much!but what is the meaning of “If it causes you to get backed off”,can you explain it?thank you^^
hi Ken Smith!when we are at a true count of +10,we should play one bet or several bets in one game?thank you so much~~~~~
HI KEN!what is the meaning of advantage?for example,when true count is 5 the advantage is 2.0%x76%,equal to 1.5%,is that means we have 51.5%/48.5% Winrate,or just 50.75%/49.25% winrate?thank you very much!
Don’t bother trying to think about blackjack in terms of win rates, because it’s more complicated than that.
If we were betting on a coin flip, then an advantage of 1.5% would imply 50.75%/49.25%. But with blackjack your win rate never reaches 50%. You make your extra money because of splits, doubles and blackjacks. It’s complicated. Just know that if you have an edge of 1.5%, your expected long-run profit is $1.50 for every $100 you bet.
hi ken!I have seen other forum posts,says increase tc+1 has 0.5%advantage,instead of 0.5%x76%,Which one is right?thank you very much~~~~
Hi ken !!thanks for the advise.after only one week of hard training i can keep follow easy the rc and many times to estimate the correct amount of cards that are in the tray so i am going to stick to the hi-lo.i see now how logical was your words that in now time the maximum target is just to make the correct betting for each hand based on the tc.after when i will be ready i will start thinking of deviations in b.s based on the index numbers.thanks for the response
Ken Smith hi again.sorry if i write in a wrong section but i want to ask two things.when the true count is high and its time for us to bet as back counters or betting more like players on the the table and there are three or five bases/players we bet where for better results ?first base ?the last one?or it dont matter.?second guestion i have read that to survive the long run and play all good luck and bad luck we need 50 times the max bet.if i decide to play flat bet of 5dollars it means that i need 250 dollars.right?at this fynny amount of money what profit per hour can u gain?000000.1 cents ????.and last in another post u answered me that its not how much hours a counter can play continiusly but how much he should play?please inlight us.if he plays more or less hours what the results?thanks for your time !!
0.76 i think is for canculating the optimum bet based on your true count.
Is this also for european bj?
All these with spread 5 /60 ????? If yes for each tc plus 1i raise two betting unit ?if was playing 10/100 spread that woud be twice times the numbers up?