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Sam vaughn was my first cousin, over the years I had lost contact with him. I only knew that he had moved to Phoenix. I have not have contact in years.
Thank you.
I found different values for the case of infinite number of decks and dealer stand’s on all 17, too.
Please note, that all columns should yield 100 % in sum. But this is not true for the last two colums (tens and aces) of the diagram! I’ve got identical values for the columns 2 to 9 but different ones for 10 and ace.
Apparently you did not read the description at the top of the page. The Ace and Ten columns are after the dealer has checked for blackjack and did not have it. That method is far more useful for most purposes than including blackjack in the normal totals.
The simple answer is that if you hit 15vA in the S17 game, you will lose less than half your bet on average (it’s around -0.48 or -0.49). Why does the advice differ between H17 and S17 games? (You should hit 15vA in S17, but surrender 15vA in H17.) The dealers final total will average a bit higher in H17, making your chances worse when hitting. But basically, basic strategy is often tough to explain with a simple reason. It is a combination of many variables. Just trust the math. All possible outcomes are weighted in deciding the optimal strategy. For customized charts, be sure to use our Strategy Engine.
God I wish I had a Dime for every time I tried explaining this to some superstitious player.
Thanks for putting it in writing finally, I can just point people to this article from now on and save my breath.
One of the local casinos has a couple of tables with oddball rules, such as one where the house will pay for a double or split under certain conditions. Any easy way to calculate odds for such oddities?
More generally, most of these unusual variants are very difficult to analyze using existing tools. You really need to be able to write your own software to do it.
Your website rocks. I use the Wong Halves count but I’m curious whether another betting system is more efficient for single deck games. I believe most of the benefit from the halves system is from the betting precision, but I’m not sure whether in a single deck game that could be outweighed by a system with a higher playing efficiency. Assuming no obstacles for learning a new system, which would be the Utopian single deck system in your opinion?
You must play in Reno, because there aren’t many other places where this question is still relevant!
Personally, I chose the Halves count because of the high BE that you noted. Counts with a higher PE generally require a side count of Aces, which I just didn’t like doing. It’s not keeping the Ace side count that was annoying to me, but rather the adjustments needed to then utilize it.
Since my play was mostly double deck games, I have not done comparisons for single deck play. Sorry.
I also have often stated that were I learning a system today, I would stick with a very simple system, either Hi-Lo or KO. Single deck might be worth an exception.
When I started counting I wanted to learn the “best” system, so I only learned that system. Only later I realized that DD and SD games might be beaten more efficiently with higher PC. I ended up learning the Hi-lo eventually (only system I know about for Spanish 21), and I would have just switched to that had I not already memorized the damn indices for the halves.
So I really appreciate your response.
P.S. Don’t give up on SD just yet, Cali has a few decent (but not amazing) SD games too.
It’s clear you never heard of “Jim’s rhythm system”.
I can’t reveal the details, but it’s a modified anti martingale system that limits your losses and maximizes your gains, best played on a 6 deck shoe, and playing two hands or one hand, depending on the circumstance. If other players at the table don’t like you ‘changing up the cards’ by being in and out with one or two hands, you may want to find an empty table. You will never draw attention from the pit, and you never count cards. This system will lose more than it wins,but the wins can be huge.
I’ve played my fair share of blackjack in actual casinos. Many of it counting cards. This happens nearly every time. It’s a real pisser….you put all that time and effort into learning how to count cards only to realize the count is negative so often and usually right out of the gate. It’s very seldom the count goes high or in your favor. Counting cards certainly works but if you’re careful not to expose yourself by betting large amounts while the count is high you end up barely getting by. I’ve been working on progressive betting strategies for years now with no luck finding the perfect one.
I work at the El Cortez and can confirm that as of today we are still a 3:2 payout (and I don’t think it’s going to change any time soon). The mentality at the LV strip seems to be that you aren’t here for winning, you are here to spend.
Sam vaughn was my first cousin, over the years I had lost contact with him. I only knew that he had moved to Phoenix. I have not have contact in years.
Thank you.
Are the numbers “running count” or “true count”,,,am a little bit connfused?
Index numbers for the Hi-Lo count always use the true count.
I found different values for the case of infinite number of decks and dealer stand’s on all 17, too.
Please note, that all columns should yield 100 % in sum. But this is not true for the last two colums (tens and aces) of the diagram! I’ve got identical values for the columns 2 to 9 but different ones for 10 and ace.
Apparently you did not read the description at the top of the page. The Ace and Ten columns are after the dealer has checked for blackjack and did not have it. That method is far more useful for most purposes than including blackjack in the normal totals.
Can u explain why its not a good strategy to surrender hard 15 vs Dealers A? (With S17 casino rule)
The simple answer is that if you hit 15vA in the S17 game, you will lose less than half your bet on average (it’s around -0.48 or -0.49). Why does the advice differ between H17 and S17 games? (You should hit 15vA in S17, but surrender 15vA in H17.) The dealers final total will average a bit higher in H17, making your chances worse when hitting. But basically, basic strategy is often tough to explain with a simple reason. It is a combination of many variables. Just trust the math. All possible outcomes are weighted in deciding the optimal strategy. For customized charts, be sure to use our Strategy Engine.
A push sucks if I double my 11 v dealer 6 and he sucks out a 21 on me.
God I wish I had a Dime for every time I tried explaining this to some superstitious player.
Thanks for putting it in writing finally, I can just point people to this article from now on and save my breath.
One of the local casinos has a couple of tables with oddball rules, such as one where the house will pay for a double or split under certain conditions. Any easy way to calculate odds for such oddities?
That sounds like Free Bet Blackjack. See this site for more details on it:
http://discountgambling.net/2012/06/22/free-bet-blackjack-golden-nugget-lv/
More generally, most of these unusual variants are very difficult to analyze using existing tools. You really need to be able to write your own software to do it.
Hi Ken,
Your website rocks. I use the Wong Halves count but I’m curious whether another betting system is more efficient for single deck games. I believe most of the benefit from the halves system is from the betting precision, but I’m not sure whether in a single deck game that could be outweighed by a system with a higher playing efficiency. Assuming no obstacles for learning a new system, which would be the Utopian single deck system in your opinion?
You must play in Reno, because there aren’t many other places where this question is still relevant!
Personally, I chose the Halves count because of the high BE that you noted. Counts with a higher PE generally require a side count of Aces, which I just didn’t like doing. It’s not keeping the Ace side count that was annoying to me, but rather the adjustments needed to then utilize it.
Since my play was mostly double deck games, I have not done comparisons for single deck play. Sorry.
I also have often stated that were I learning a system today, I would stick with a very simple system, either Hi-Lo or KO. Single deck might be worth an exception.
Here are a couple of links that may be helpful.
You probably already know about this comparison of counts: https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
Here’s an interesting collaborative effort from the boards: https://www.blackjackinfo.com/knowledge-base/blackjack-card-counting/bjinfo-open-source-ubz-ii-v0-5/
Thanks, Ken.
When I started counting I wanted to learn the “best” system, so I only learned that system. Only later I realized that DD and SD games might be beaten more efficiently with higher PC. I ended up learning the Hi-lo eventually (only system I know about for Spanish 21), and I would have just switched to that had I not already memorized the damn indices for the halves.
So I really appreciate your response.
P.S. Don’t give up on SD just yet, Cali has a few decent (but not amazing) SD games too.
has anybody been using snyders red seven count?
It’s clear you never heard of “Jim’s rhythm system”.
I can’t reveal the details, but it’s a modified anti martingale system that limits your losses and maximizes your gains, best played on a 6 deck shoe, and playing two hands or one hand, depending on the circumstance. If other players at the table don’t like you ‘changing up the cards’ by being in and out with one or two hands, you may want to find an empty table. You will never draw attention from the pit, and you never count cards. This system will lose more than it wins,but the wins can be huge.
I’ve played my fair share of blackjack in actual casinos. Many of it counting cards. This happens nearly every time. It’s a real pisser….you put all that time and effort into learning how to count cards only to realize the count is negative so often and usually right out of the gate. It’s very seldom the count goes high or in your favor. Counting cards certainly works but if you’re careful not to expose yourself by betting large amounts while the count is high you end up barely getting by. I’ve been working on progressive betting strategies for years now with no luck finding the perfect one.
Thanks for confirming. Long live downtown!
I work at the El Cortez and can confirm that as of today we are still a 3:2 payout (and I don’t think it’s going to change any time soon). The mentality at the LV strip seems to be that you aren’t here for winning, you are here to spend.
Thanks for dropping by Dick. Sammy was a unique and warm soul. He is missed by many.